Room Conversation — May 12, 1976, Honolulu

Prabhupāda: Where did he get this idea, not to trust me? [indistinct] 

Govinda dāsī: So that’s what I was trying to ask. 

Prabhupāda: Huh? 

Govinda dāsī: That’s what I was trying to ask. 

Prabhupāda: Hmm? 

Govinda dāsī: That was the reason that I was trying to ask those questions. 

Prabhupāda: He has become impersonal. He is simply out of the jurisdiction of personal care. The guru is personal or Kṛṣṇa is impersonal? 

Govinda dāsī: He speaks of the guru principle and that his spiritual master is within his heart, and that…, and he doesn’t accept the personal service of the physical manifestation. 

Prabhupāda: He does not understand. Don’t [indistinct]. Who cares for his philosophy? 

Govinda dāsī: Not for very long. I am simply concerned for him. 

Prabhupāda: That is natural, but if he wants to avoid being saved, then how can you save him? 

Govinda dāsī: Yes. 

Prabhupāda: If he wants to commit suicide, then who can save him? He will do it, [indistinct]. 

Devotee: He’s downstairs in the morning. 

Prabhupāda: What he doing? 

Devotee: I don’t know. I stay up here during ārati in case you mean… 

Prabhupāda: Govinda? 

Govinda dāsī: Thank you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end] 

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