Melbourne, 1975 - SB. 6.1.3 - Part 3 - (DVD 9)

[00:03]So we don’t believe in the next life just to avoid this consequence.

[00:11]But that will not excuse us. We have to accept a type of body.

[00:18]Otherwise how there are so many different types of bodies? What is the explanation?

[00:25]Why different forms of body, different stages of body, different standard of body?

[00:32]That is nature’s law. Therefore this human form of life should be properly utilized,

[00:44]not simply engaged in sense gratification like cats and dogs.

[00:51]That is not very responsible life. Responsible life is that

[01:00]“I have got this improved form of life than the cats and dogs,

[01:06]and I have got more intelligence than the cats and dogs.

[01:10]If I simply utilize it for four bodily necessities of life…”

[01:18]Four bodily necessities of life means we require some eating.

[01:24]The cats, dogs, human being, or high-court judge, or anyone-they require some eating.

[01:32]They require sleeping, apartment. So that is…

[01:38]The cats and dogs can sleep without apartment, but the sleeping required.

[01:45]That is fact. Eating required, that is fact. And sex life, that is also fact.

[01:52]And defense, that is also fact. But these things are common to the cats and dogs and man,

[02:05]human being. So what is the special feature of the human being?

[02:09]The special feature of the human being is that a human being can consider that

[02:19]“I have got this nice American or Australian or Indian body.

[02:24]Then what I am going to get next? What kind of body?”

[02:29]That is utilized for human intelligence. A cat and dog cannot think like that.

[02:37]Therefore our business should be: “Now, by the nature’s way,

[02:45]I have come to this form of life by evolutionary process.

[02:48]Now I have got good intelligence. How I shall utilize it?”

[02:55]…You are cultivating knowledge. “The ultimate goal of knowledge,” Krsna says,

[03:02]“is to know Me.” Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15].

[03:07]The whole knowledge is meant for understanding God. That is the end of knowledge.

[03:17]By progressive knowledge you can make progress,

[03:22]but unless you do not come to the point to understand what is God,

[03:28]then your knowledge is imperfect. That is called Vedanta. Athato brahma jijnasa.

[03:34]This human form of life, nice facility, intelligence…

[03:43]Just like Australia was undeveloped. Since the Europeans came here,

[03:52]it is now very developed, resourceful, because the intelligence has been utilized.

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[04:02]That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10].

[04:06]Nature is a machine. So do you think a machine works without an operator? Do you think?

[04:15]Is there any evidence? Now, this is a machine, photography, a wonderful machine.

[04:23]It is taking the picture, and it will move. But there is an operator.

[06:41]Where is the machine which is working without operator? Can you give any example,

[06:48]“Here is a machine which is working without operator”?

[06:53]So how do you think that the nature machine is working without the supreme operator,

[07:00]God’s instruction. How do you think it? This is not very reasonable. We have to judge.

[07:08]There are different evidences. One of the evidence is hypothesis.

[07:15]That hypothesis is that “Because we see that no machine works without operator, therefore

[07:28]we should conclude it, even though we do not know what is God, what is the nature,

[07:32]we must conclude it that the nature is working under some supreme operator.

[07:39]That is God.” It is not necessary to see the operator, but we can guess that

[07:49]there must be operator. So human life is meant for finding out who is there to operate.

[07:57]That is human life. Otherwise it’s cats’ and dogs’ life. They are eating, sleeping, mating,

[08:03]and dancing. That’s all. That is not human life. You must find out who is the operator.

[08:11]Athato brahma jijnasa. This is called, in Sanskrit word,

[08:15]“Now this human form of life is meant for inquiring about the supreme operator.”

[08:21]Now, that supreme operator, Krsna, is so kind. He is giving evidence in the Bhagavad-gita,

[08:31]mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram: [Bg. 9.10]

[08:35]“Now here I am. Under My direction the prakrti, the nature, material nature, is working.”

[08:45]So you accept. Then your business is done.

[08:51]And Krsna gave evidences how He is controlling the nature.

[08:59]When Krsna was seven years old, He lifted one big mountain on His finger.

[09:07]That means the… Our understanding is that there is law of gravitation.

[09:16]By law of gravitation, such a big mountain, it cannot stay in one man’s finger.

[09:22]That is our calculation. But He did it. That means He counteracted the law of gravitation.

[09:31]That is God. So if you believe this, then you know God immediately.

[09:43]There is no difficulty. Just like if the child is warned, “My dear child, do not touch fire.

[09:51]It will burn you.” So if the child accepts, then he gets the perfect knowledge immediately.

[09:58]If the child does not accept, he wants to make experiment, then he will burn his finger.

[10:04]So our process of knowledge-you should take from the supreme authority.

[10:12]Then we save time for research work. That is Krsna consciousness movement.

[10:20]We take perfect knowledge from Krsna. I may be imperfect. Just like child is imperfect,

[10:27]so I may be imperfect, you may be imperfect, but if you take the perfect knowledge

[10:34]from the supreme perfect, then your knowledge is perfect. That is the process.

[10:40]This is called avaroha-pantha, knowledge coming, deductive knowledge.

[10:47]So everything is there, and if you like to take advantage of this movement

[10:57]and make your life perfect, go back to home, back to Godhead,

[11:03]then fully utilize this center, our Melbourne center. Come here, read our books,

[11:11]and argue. Try to understand with your full knowledge, no blindly acceptance.

[11:18]There is reason. There is argument. There is philosophy. There is science.

[11:24]Everything is there. And if you accept that “Simply by chanting, I shall realize,”

[11:32]that is also allowed. Both ways: if you accept this simple process, that

[11:40]“Chant Hare Krsna and realize God,” that is also fact, and if you think,

[11:45]“What is this nonsense, chanting Hare Krsna?” then you read books.

[11:49]Both ways we are prepared. Come and take advantage of this movement.

[11:54]Thank you very much. [11:58]

[12:03]Srila Prabhupada, when it is cited in the scriptures that Lord Brahma rides on a swan,

[12:14]a hamsa, is this, are we to take this to mean it is a real swan, or is it something symbolic?

[12:23]Not symbolic, it is fact. Why do you say symbolic?

[12:31]It’s rather unusual.

[12:34]Unusual, what experience you have got? You have no experience.

[12:41]Have you got any experience of other planetary system, what is there? Then?

[12:46]Your experience is very teeny. So you should not calculate Brahma’s life and other things

[12:54]by your teeny experience.

[12:56]Now, in the Bhagavad-gita it is said that the duration of life of Brahma,

[13:03]sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh… [Bg. 8.17].

[13:08]Now, Brahma’s life, it is stated in the sastras.

[13:13]We have already explained that we accept the authoritative statement of sastra.

[13:19]Now, Brahma’s life is stated there. Arhat means his one day is equal to our four yugas.

[13:31]Four yugas means 4,300,000 years, and multiply it by one thousand, sahasra-yuga-paryantam.

[13:44]Sahasra means one thousand. And yuga, yuga means the 4,300,000 years makes a yuga.

[13:54]And multiply it by one thousand: that period is Brahma’s one day.

[14:02]Similarly, he has got one night. Similarly, he has got one month.

[14:08]Similarly, he has got one year. And such hundred years he will live.

[14:12]So how you can calculate? How it is within your experience?

[14:18]You will think something mysterious. No. Your experience is nothing.

[14:26]Therefore you have to take experience from the perfect person, Krsna.

[14:33]Then your knowledge is perfect. That I have already said.

[14:36]Don’t try to understand with your teeny experience everything. Then you will be failure.

[14:43]Prabhupada, are all one’s efforts to serve Krsna virtually useless…?

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[15:12]…That I have already explained, that you are coming here.

[15:19]Even though you are not initiated, that is also service. So if you deposit one cent daily,

[15:28]one day it may become a hundred dollars. So when you get the hundred dollars,

[15:36]you can get the business. So you come here daily, one cent, one cent…

[15:45]When it will be hundred dollars, you will become a devotee.

[15:49]Jaya! Hari bol!

[15:51]So this is not wasted. It is… That is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, krta-punya-punjah.

[16:01]Krta-punya. Krta means done. Sukadeva Gosvami is describing when Krsna was

[16:11]playing with His cowherd boy friends, so he was describing that, “These cowherd boys who

[16:17]are playing with Krsna, they have not come to this position in one day.” Krta-punya-punjah.

[16:26]“After life after life, having performed pious activities, now they have come to this

[16:34]position that they are allowed to play with the Supreme.”

[16:38]How do you convince a person who says…, that they are suffering, when they’re actually,

[16:43]when they’re saying they are happy and not afraid to die?

[16:46]Someone who is not afraid to die and says that he’s not suffering, how do…

[16:54]He is a madman. That’s all. Who is caring for madman’s word?

[17:06]It’s very easy to convince some people that they’re not their bodies,

[17:21]but it’s not very easy to convince them that they’re not their minds.

[17:24]Is there some way we can…

[17:27]That will take time. How can you expect that in one minute everyone will understand everything?

[17:32]It requires education, time. If he is prepared to give the time, then he will understand,

[17:39]not that within five minutes, ten minutes, he will understand the whole thing.

[17:43]That is not possible. He is a diseased man. He requires treatment, medicine, and diet.

[17:54]In this way he will understand.

[17:57]A diseased man, if he doesn’t care for medicine, diet, then he will suffer. That’s all.

[18:11]Yes? Anyone? No?

[18:17]If we’ve been here lifetime after lifetime performing impious activities, does it mean that

[18:26]we have to be here lifetime after lifetime performing pious activities

[18:29]to balance out our sinful reactions?

[18:31]We have been here for many lifetimes performing sinful activities.

[18:37]So is it possible to counteract all those sinful activities in one lifetime,

[18:41]or does it require many…?

[18:42]One minute. That is Krsna consciousness movement. One minute.

[18:50]You are not reading Bhagavad-gita? What Krsna says?

[18:56]Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami:

[19:05]“You surrender unto Me. Give up your all business. I will give you relief

[19:11]from all sinful reaction immediately.” So it requires one minute.

[19:18]“My dear Krsna, I was forgotten. Now I understand. I fully surrender unto you.”

[19:26]Then you become immediately free from all sinful reactions. Without any reservation,

[19:33]without any politics, if you fully surrender, Krsna is assuring,

[19:39]aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah.

[19:44]He reassures, “Don’t worry whether I will be able to give you relief from all reaction.”

[19:53]Ma sucah. “Finished, guaranteed. You do this.”

[19:56]So how much time it requires to surrender to Krsna? Immediately you can do that.

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[20:10]Surrender means you surrender and work as Krsna says. That is surrender.

[20:17]What Krsna says to do? Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru.

[20:24]Four things: “You always think of Me, and you become My devotee, you worship Me,

[20:32]and offer your respectful obeisances unto Me.” You do these four things?

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[20:40]That is full surrender. Mam evaisyasi asamsaya: “Then you come to Me without any doubt.”

[20:47]Everything is there. Krsna has given everything fully. If you accept it, then life is very simple.

[20:57]There is no difficulty. Yes?

[21:07]How long do you say it is before Krsna comes to this planet again in His physical, in human form?

[21:18]Now calculate… Anyway, what is your Australian calculation? Let me know.

[21:25]It’s true. Their billion is something else.

[21:27]Oh. Anyway, I give you the right figure, four million, according to American or English calculation,

[21:37]4,300,000 years and multiply it by one thousand.

[21:46]Then what it comes according to English calculation? 4,300,000.

[21:55]That is twelve hours. And add again twelve hours, night. Then eight billion…

[22:03]600,000,000.

[22:04]So Krsna comes after this period. In one day, after one day of Brahma, He appears.

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[22:20]Srila Prabhupada, does Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu also appear every day of Brahma?

[22:28]Yes, following Krsna. Krsna comes in the Dvapara-yuga. There are four periods of each yuga.

[22:36]Similarly, Krsna, after finishing His business in this universe, He goes to another universe.

[22:43]In this way the rotation takes eight million, nine billion years.

[22:49]Just imagine how many universes are there. He stays in one universe for 125 years.

[22:57]Everything is there, calculation, in the sastra.

[23:01]Now we can imagine how many universes are there.

[23:06]That is, altogether, material world. That is stated in the…

[23:13]athava bahunaitena kim jnatena tavarjuna vistabhyaham idam krtsnam ekamsena sthito jagat

[23:22]This material creation is one-fourth creation of the whole God’s property.

[23:30]And the three-fourth part is in the spiritual world. That is God. Not that cheap God,

[23:42]“I am God,” in this God. We don’t accept such cheap God.

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[23:52]Because you’re here(?) and all the devotees here are your disciples, Srila Prabhupada,

[23:58]eternal disciples, eternal servitors. But what if we have to take birth in the material world

[24:05]in the next life? How will we be able to render direct service unto you?

[24:09]Yes. Even if you remain in the material… If you are not completed your spiritual life,

[24:17]still, you will get good birth. Sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrastoh sanjayate: [Bg. 6.41]

[24:25]“One who is failure in completing Krsna consciousness, then he is given next chance in a

[24:33]very aristocratic family or very nice, pure brahmana’s family so that he can again

[24:41]cultivate Krsna consciousness next chance.”

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[24:49]So everything is… There is process. If you follow the process, then you go back.

[24:55]If you fall down, that is our fault. Therefore the life is meant for tapasya,

[25:05]that Rsabhadeva’s instruction, that our life should not be wasted like dogs and hogs and pigs.

[25:13]It should be utilized for tapasya, for understanding our position.

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[25:24]Tapo putraka yena suddhyed sattva. This is the aim of life.

[25:31]We have to purify our existence. At the present moment our existence is impurified.

[25:39]Therefore we are subjected to birth, death, old age, and disease.

[25:43]And as soon as we purify ourself, then we are not subjected to these four material laws.

[25:50]Thank you very much. Hare Krsna.

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