Illicit Sex & Social Work

[00:13]: We are training, sometimes people laugh. “What is this nonsense?”
[00:20]: They criticize. The leaders of the society do not encourage it.
[00:31]: Now yesterday I was talking with one priest about illicit sex life, he said,
[00:42]: “What is wrong there, it is a great pleasure.” Yes.
[00:51]: We are training, we are advocating that illicit sex is sinful.
[01:02]: Our first condition is that one must give up these four things:
[01:09]: illicit sex, meat eating, intoxication and gambling.
[01:16]: This is my first condition, before accepting. So they agree and they follow.
[01:25]: That’s what our clients won’t do.
[01:30]: Yes they will do, if regular institution runs on with all facilities.
[01:40]: We get so many devotees who come here.
[01:43]: After some time they become dedicated devotees. The method must be there.
[01:50]: …that was another brothel. -the hippie farm.

[01:58]: And I went there. The organizer took me there.

[02:09]: So I think if you are serious let us combinedly open an institution
[02:20]: where people should be trained up how to become first-class.
[02:27]: Children should be trained up. That will make a solution.
[02:34]: You have to change society then.
[02:37]: No, no. No change. Let society be what it is.
[02:41]: We train up some children as we are doing in Dallas.
[02:47]: And some men also, just like we have trained up. It is possible, this is practical example.
[02:55]: So priest should be ideal character, and they are advocating homosex.
[03:01]: Where is the ideal character man?
[03:04]: If the priestly class are going to hospital for drinking habit
[03:12]: and they are allowing man-to-man marriage and homosex, then where is ideal character?
[03:18]: Homosexuality is a sickness, an illness.
[03:23]: It’s just like a person can’t see, you would punish him for not seeing,
[03:26]: you can’t punish a person for being homosexual. That’s what our society says.
[03:32]: Anyway, the priestly class sanctioning homosex.
[03:36]: Sanctioning, they are allowing homosex.
[03:39]: And there was report that man and man was married by the priest.
[03:48]: In New York there is a paper, “Watchtower.” That is a Christian paper.
[03:58]: I have seen it, that paper.
[03:59]: They are condemning that priest is allowing man-to-man marriage.
[04:06]: And they are passing resolution, homosex resolution, passing, all right.
[04:12]: And in Perth you said the students are discussing about homosex,
[04:23]: in favor of homosex. So where is the ideal character?
[04:30]: If you want some tangible business train some people to become ideal character.
[04:42]: That is this Krishna consciousness movement.
[04:46]: But people will say what is ideal to you is not ideal to someone else.
[04:52]: I am giving the example of ideal character.
[04:55]: Yes. But that’s one opinion.
[04:56]: No. It will not depend on opinion. Opinion.
[05:03]: What is the value of opinion if the people are all asses?
[05:07]: No. There is no opinion. One should take as it is enjoined in the sastras. No opinion…
[05:14]: …and what if the Brahmanas start to rule the world in their own interest?
[05:26]: No, no… It is not vested interest. It is the character. Just like sama, peaceful…
[05:40]: They might form a class of their own and have their own interest
[05:42]: and try to rule the world accordingly.
[05:45]: No. Because they are honest. That is the world of difference. They will not do that.
[05:49]: They must go according to the book. -Yes
[05:52]: Honest means he is not for his own interest, for everyone’s interest. That is honesty.
[05:58]: Now what if he’s misguided? Suppose the world changes since that book was written.
[06:05]: No, no. Simply because they did not follow. Just like in India.
[06:10]: This is the character of the Brahmanas.
[06:13]: Later on, gradually the culture was lost since the last one thousand years
[06:20]: because India was subjugated by foreigners. The Mohammedans.
[06:29]: They introduced some of their culture. Then the Britishers came.
[06:32]: Everyone whats their interest.
[06:35]: When British rule came their Lord Mackalie’s private report was that
[06:46]: if you wan to keep them as Indian Hindus you’ll never be able to rule over them.

[06:56]: So it was British government´s policy to condemn everything Indian.

[07:05]: How would you react if somebody breaks into this place and tries to rob some of the…
[07:12]: He said how would we react is someone breaks in and tries to rob the building.
[07:17]: Rob? -A thief. What would we do if a thief came in.
[07:22]: If a thief came in we shall punish him.
[07:26]: You shall be violent. -Why not? A thief should be punished.
[07:30]: You would punish yourself? What would you do? Would you start attacking him?
[07:38]: No. Ourself or anyone, a thief, he has to be punished.
[07:43]: A thief has to be punished. Ourselves or yourself, it doesn’t matter.
[07:49]: A thief is thief. He should be punished.
[07:53]: What if he breaks in because he is hungry?
[07:57]: Who breaks? -He says, “What if he breaks in because he is hungry?”
[08:05]: Then we say everyone should come and eat. Why he should remain hungry?
[08:11]: We invite everyone. Come here, eat. No charge. We don’t charge.
[08:18]: So why should he remain hungry? Let us increase this program.
[08:24]: All hungry men of Melbourne city come here and take your eating sumptuously.
[08:30]: We invite, “Come on.” Why you should remain hungry?
[08:35]: What if he’s and alcoholic and he’s hungry?
[08:37]: We have a couple of alcoholics that come here and we give them food every night.
[08:42]: You do. -Yes -Just like the Gordon House? -Yes.
[08:45]: They come, we feed them. We have a feast every Sunday, they come.
[08:48]: It requires little time to practice, otherwise it is open for everyone. It is above politics.
[09:01]: From your point of view but we in the department depend on political decisions.
[09:07]: The department means another set of…
[09:12]: Yes, that’s just an instrument, a public will.
[09:14]: The minister is elected according to public will in our society.
[09:18]: Because they have made a department, just like your department.
[09:21]: What is that department? Social welfare.
[09:23]: Social welfare. So if they find social welfare why not help? Why they bring politics?
[09:33]: If actually there is social welfare here, why not support it? –Yes, well you’re right.
[09:42]: But in our society a minister is elected to carry out certain policies.
[09:50]: Not what he wants but what the people voted for.
[09:55]: But if your policy is social reformation.
[09:59]: Social reformation is not our policy. -Then social welfare.
[10:04]: Just to look after those who are in trouble. That’s our policy.
[10:08]: Well, everyone is in trouble. -Parden?
[10:11]: At the present moment even the ministers are in trouble.
[10:15]: Yes, but that is not what our function is. Everybody is in trouble.
[10:19]: Physician heal thyself. You see.
[10:22]: They’re also drunkards, they’re also women hunters, and meat eaters and gambling.
[10:28]: That’s all. They require to be rectified.
[10:33]: But we can’t help that.
[10:37]: You have to change society and then society tells us to act differently.
[10:41]: Unless you change the society how can you make social welfare?
[10:44]: If you keep them as it is then were is the question of welfare?
[10:49]: You give a different interpretation to the words.

[10:56]: Basically one must be first-class, ideal man, that is wanted.
[11:06]: That’s why it is so very difficult.
[11:10]: You have to work on your own… if you convince enough people.
[11:16]: You find out… Our own program it is not vox populi. You find out fault with us.
[11:22]: You find out what is our fault. -I can’t see any fault.
[11:29]: Then you can disagree, but when you see everything is nice how can you not accept it?
[11:35]: Unless you are biased?
[11:38]: Of course I am biased. I’ve been brought up differently -Yes
[11:43]: Just like you’re biased against my life. -No we are not biased, we are allowing.
[11:52]: We say that if you want to be first-class man then you must not commit sinful activities.
[12:01]: That is our proposition.
[12:04]: But I as a public servant, I’m not here to change society…
[12:10]: We’re also public, we belong to the public. You must become our servant also.
[12:16]: What. -We are public, members of the public. You should become our servant also.
[12:23]: If you are public servant.
[12:25]: A public servant, in our philosophy is a man who serves a minister
[12:32]: elected by the people. In this way he serves the public…
[12:36]: Therefore we are reforming the public. -Yes, that’s what I mean.
[12:42]: …I might agree with you that if all of us would be Krishna. -Not all
[12:47]: Then a social worker would be different.
[12:51]: Just like we are proposing here, I’m not proposing, Krishna says,
[12:57]: that one must be peaceful. How to become peaceful?
[13:02]: If his mind is always disturbed how he can become peaceful?
[13:06]: You’re quite right. So that is the secret of success.
[13:11]: You want to make people peaceful but you do not know how to make him peaceful.
[13:16]: So therefore we have to adopt this.
[13:20]: We have a competitive society.
[13:23]: We say that you chant Hare Krishna, eat here sumptuously, live here comfortably
[13:32]: and you become peaceful. It is guaranteed.
[13:37]: If anyone, even a mad man, agrees to these three principles.
[13:42]: That let him chant Hare Krishna maha-mantra, take whatever nice foodstuffs
[13:50]: that we prepare and live peacefully, he will be peaceful.
[13:55]: What’s your answer that still such a small percentage,
[13:59]: tiny percentage of the population accept the philosophy.
[14:03]: Tiny percentage, just like there are so many stars in the sky, and there is one moon.
[14:14]: In percentage the moon is nothing. If you take percentage of the stars,
[14:22]: the moon is nothing. But moon is [more] important than all the nonsense stars.
[14:26]: But if you take percentage there is no percentage but because he is moon
[14:36]: he is more important than all these rascal stars. This is the example.
[14:44]: What is the use of taking the percentage of the stars in the presence of the moon.
[14:51]: Let there be one moon, that is sufficient. There is no question of percentage.
[14:56]: One ideal man.
[14:59]: Just like in Christian world, one ideal Jesus Christ.
[15:03]: How to you feel about Mou Sei Tong?
[15:09]: In China he’s the ideal man. - He’s a communist.
[15:13]: His ideal is all right. His idea, communist idea that everyone should be happy.
[15:22]: That is good idea but they do not know how to make everybody…
[15:27]: Just like they are taking care of the human beings in the state
[15:32]: but they are sending poor animals to the slaughterhouse. Because they age Godless.
[15:38]: They do not know that the animal is also a living being,
[15:43]: and the human being is also a living being.
[15:46]: So for the satisfaction of the tongue of the human being the animals should be cut throat.
[15:55]: That is the defect.

[16:04]: If the leaders of the society become compassionate with this movement…
[16:14]: Our minister regards himself as a servant of the people. He can be kicked out at any time.
[16:19]: That is the defect. The people are rascals and they have elected another rascal
[16:24]: That is the defect, then what can be done? Hopeless.
[16:30]: O you can work on the…
[16:32]: We are going without depending on these rascals.
[16:35]: We are going on, we are publishing our books, we are making our movement.
[16:39]: We are honestly trying, that’s all. That we are doing, all over the world.
[16:45]: All we can do is allow you to convince the population differently.
[16:49]: Yes we are doing.
[16:49]: And when you do that then social welfare department…
[16:54]: Now suppose if we instruct a man, “Please do not have illicit sex.”
[17:02]: Have you got any objection?
[17:04]: If I advise somebody that, “Do not have illicit sex,” have you got any objection?
[17:10]: Yes, I have. -You have? -Yes
[17:14]: I like sex and my wife likes sex. We just enjoy it. We couldn’t live without it.
[17:20]: Our marriage is happier because we have sex.
[17:24]: Just see. This is the condition.
[17:27]: …enjoying sex and our marriage is happier with sex.
[17:31]: No we don’t prohibit sex but we prohibit illicit sex.
[17:37]: But I have two children. We use the pill, we use contraceptives,
[17:42]: we use all kinds of things. Because it makes our life…
[17:48]: Why do you use contraceptives?
[17:50]: Because I don’t want any more children.
[17:52]: Then why don’t you stop sex? –Because I like sex, because I enjoy it.
[17:58]: That means you go to the physician,
[18:01]: “I want to do everything I like, still I want treatment.” This is the position. You want…
[18:09]: I didn’t come for treatment.
[18:11]: No, no, I say… You have come for treatment. You have.
[18:17]: I was invited…
[18:19]: Because you are paid to control the society, your activities.
[18:23]: Therefore you have come here for treatment.
[18:25]: But when I prescribe medicine you do not accept.
[18:28]: I didn’t come for treatment. -No, yes. -Well you invited me.
[18:32]: Just to help you in your social activities, social welfare activities.
[18:38]: To take some suggestion from us.
[18:41]: But when we give the suggestion you reject it. That is your position.

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