Illicit Sex & Social Work — Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers
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We are training, sometimes people laugh. “What is this nonsense?”
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They criticize. The leaders of the society do not encourage it.
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Now yesterday I was talking with one priest about illicit sex life, he said,
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“What is wrong there, it is a great pleasure.” Yes.
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We are training, we are advocating that illicit sex is sinful.
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Our first condition is that one must give up these four things:
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illicit sex, meat eating, intoxication and gambling.
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This is my first condition, before accepting. So they agree and they follow.
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That’s what our clients won’t do.
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Yes they will do, if regular institution runs on with all facilities.
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We get so many devotees who come here.
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After some time they become dedicated devotees. The method must be there.
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…that was another brothel. -the hippie farm.
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And I went there. The organizer took me there.
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So I think if you are serious let us combinedly open an institution
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where people should be trained up how to become first-class.
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Children should be trained up. That will make a solution.
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You have to change society then.
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No, no. No change. Let society be what it is.
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We train up some children as we are doing in Dallas.
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And some men also, just like we have trained up. It is possible, this is practical example.
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So priest should be ideal character, and they are advocating homosex.
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Where is the ideal character man?
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If the priestly class are going to hospital for drinking habit
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and they are allowing man-to-man marriage and homosex, then where is ideal character?
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Homosexuality is a sickness, an illness.
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It’s just like a person can’t see, you would punish him for not seeing,
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you can’t punish a person for being homosexual. That’s what our society says.
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Anyway, the priestly class sanctioning homosex.
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Sanctioning, they are allowing homosex.
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And there was report that man and man was married by the priest.
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In New York there is a paper, “Watchtower.” That is a Christian paper.
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I have seen it, that paper.
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They are condemning that priest is allowing man-to-man marriage.
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And they are passing resolution, homosex resolution, passing, all right.
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And in Perth you said the students are discussing about homosex,
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in favor of homosex. So where is the ideal character?
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If you want some tangible business train some people to become ideal character.
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That is this Krishna consciousness movement.
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But people will say what is ideal to you is not ideal to someone else.
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I am giving the example of ideal character.
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Yes. But that’s one opinion.
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No. It will not depend on opinion. Opinion.
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What is the value of opinion if the people are all asses?
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No. There is no opinion. One should take as it is enjoined in the sastras. No opinion…
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…and what if the Brahmanas start to rule the world in their own interest?
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No, no… It is not vested interest. It is the character. Just like sama, peaceful…
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They might form a class of their own and have their own interest
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and try to rule the world accordingly.
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No. Because they are honest. That is the world of difference. They will not do that.
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They must go according to the book. -Yes
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Honest means he is not for his own interest, for everyone’s interest. That is honesty.
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Now what if he’s misguided? Suppose the world changes since that book was written.
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No, no. Simply because they did not follow. Just like in India.
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This is the character of the Brahmanas.
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Later on, gradually the culture was lost since the last one thousand years
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because India was subjugated by foreigners. The Mohammedans.
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They introduced some of their culture. Then the Britishers came.
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Everyone whats their interest.
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When British rule came their Lord Mackalie’s private report was that
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if you wan to keep them as Indian Hindus you’ll never be able to rule over them.
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So it was British government´s policy to condemn everything Indian.
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How would you react if somebody breaks into this place and tries to rob some of the…
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He said how would we react is someone breaks in and tries to rob the building.
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Rob? -A thief. What would we do if a thief came in.
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If a thief came in we shall punish him.
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You shall be violent. -Why not? A thief should be punished.
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You would punish yourself? What would you do? Would you start attacking him?
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No. Ourself or anyone, a thief, he has to be punished.
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A thief has to be punished. Ourselves or yourself, it doesn’t matter.
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A thief is thief. He should be punished.
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What if he breaks in because he is hungry?
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Who breaks? -He says, “What if he breaks in because he is hungry?”
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Then we say everyone should come and eat. Why he should remain hungry?
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We invite everyone. Come here, eat. No charge. We don’t charge.
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So why should he remain hungry? Let us increase this program.
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All hungry men of Melbourne city come here and take your eating sumptuously.
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We invite, “Come on.” Why you should remain hungry?
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What if he’s and alcoholic and he’s hungry?
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We have a couple of alcoholics that come here and we give them food every night.
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You do. -Yes -Just like the Gordon House? -Yes.
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They come, we feed them. We have a feast every Sunday, they come.
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It requires little time to practice, otherwise it is open for everyone. It is above politics.
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From your point of view but we in the department depend on political decisions.
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The department means another set of…
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Yes, that’s just an instrument, a public will.
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The minister is elected according to public will in our society.
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Because they have made a department, just like your department.
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What is that department? Social welfare.
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Social welfare. So if they find social welfare why not help? Why they bring politics?
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If actually there is social welfare here, why not support it? –Yes, well you’re right.
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But in our society a minister is elected to carry out certain policies.
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Not what he wants but what the people voted for.
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But if your policy is social reformation.
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Social reformation is not our policy. -Then social welfare.
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Just to look after those who are in trouble. That’s our policy.
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Well, everyone is in trouble. -Parden?
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At the present moment even the ministers are in trouble.
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Yes, but that is not what our function is. Everybody is in trouble.
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Physician heal thyself. You see.
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They’re also drunkards, they’re also women hunters, and meat eaters and gambling.
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That’s all. They require to be rectified.
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But we can’t help that.
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You have to change society and then society tells us to act differently.
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Unless you change the society how can you make social welfare?
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If you keep them as it is then were is the question of welfare?
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You give a different interpretation to the words.
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Basically one must be first-class, ideal man, that is wanted.
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That’s why it is so very difficult.
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You have to work on your own… if you convince enough people.
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You find out… Our own program it is not vox populi. You find out fault with us.
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You find out what is our fault. -I can’t see any fault.
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Then you can disagree, but when you see everything is nice how can you not accept it?
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Unless you are biased?
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Of course I am biased. I’ve been brought up differently -Yes
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Just like you’re biased against my life. -No we are not biased, we are allowing.
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We say that if you want to be first-class man then you must not commit sinful activities.
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That is our proposition.
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But I as a public servant, I’m not here to change society…
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We’re also public, we belong to the public. You must become our servant also.
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What. -We are public, members of the public. You should become our servant also.
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If you are public servant.
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A public servant, in our philosophy is a man who serves a minister
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elected by the people. In this way he serves the public…
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Therefore we are reforming the public. -Yes, that’s what I mean.
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…I might agree with you that if all of us would be Krishna. -Not all
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Then a social worker would be different.
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Just like we are proposing here, I’m not proposing, Krishna says,
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that one must be peaceful. How to become peaceful?
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If his mind is always disturbed how he can become peaceful?
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You’re quite right. So that is the secret of success.
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You want to make people peaceful but you do not know how to make him peaceful.
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So therefore we have to adopt this.
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We have a competitive society.
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We say that you chant Hare Krishna, eat here sumptuously, live here comfortably
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and you become peaceful. It is guaranteed.
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If anyone, even a mad man, agrees to these three principles.
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That let him chant Hare Krishna maha-mantra, take whatever nice foodstuffs
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that we prepare and live peacefully, he will be peaceful.
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What’s your answer that still such a small percentage,
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tiny percentage of the population accept the philosophy.
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Tiny percentage, just like there are so many stars in the sky, and there is one moon.
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In percentage the moon is nothing. If you take percentage of the stars,
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the moon is nothing. But moon is [more] important than all the nonsense stars.
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But if you take percentage there is no percentage but because he is moon
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he is more important than all these rascal stars. This is the example.
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What is the use of taking the percentage of the stars in the presence of the moon.
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Let there be one moon, that is sufficient. There is no question of percentage.
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One ideal man.
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Just like in Christian world, one ideal Jesus Christ.
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How to you feel about Mou Sei Tong?
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In China he’s the ideal man. - He’s a communist.
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His ideal is all right. His idea, communist idea that everyone should be happy.
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That is good idea but they do not know how to make everybody…
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Just like they are taking care of the human beings in the state
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but they are sending poor animals to the slaughterhouse. Because they age Godless.
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They do not know that the animal is also a living being,
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and the human being is also a living being.
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So for the satisfaction of the tongue of the human being the animals should be cut throat.
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That is the defect.
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If the leaders of the society become compassionate with this movement…
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Our minister regards himself as a servant of the people. He can be kicked out at any time.
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That is the defect. The people are rascals and they have elected another rascal
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That is the defect, then what can be done? Hopeless.
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O you can work on the…
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We are going without depending on these rascals.
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We are going on, we are publishing our books, we are making our movement.
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We are honestly trying, that’s all. That we are doing, all over the world.
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All we can do is allow you to convince the population differently.
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Yes we are doing.
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And when you do that then social welfare department…
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Now suppose if we instruct a man, “Please do not have illicit sex.”
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Have you got any objection?
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If I advise somebody that, “Do not have illicit sex,” have you got any objection?
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Yes, I have. -You have? -Yes
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I like sex and my wife likes sex. We just enjoy it. We couldn’t live without it.
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Our marriage is happier because we have sex.
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Just see. This is the condition.
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…enjoying sex and our marriage is happier with sex.
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No we don’t prohibit sex but we prohibit illicit sex.
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But I have two children. We use the pill, we use contraceptives,
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we use all kinds of things. Because it makes our life…
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Why do you use contraceptives?
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Because I don’t want any more children.
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Then why don’t you stop sex? –Because I like sex, because I enjoy it.
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That means you go to the physician,
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“I want to do everything I like, still I want treatment.” This is the position. You want…
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I didn’t come for treatment.
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No, no, I say… You have come for treatment. You have.
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I was invited…
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Because you are paid to control the society, your activities.
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Therefore you have come here for treatment.
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But when I prescribe medicine you do not accept.
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I didn’t come for treatment. -No, yes. -Well you invited me.
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Just to help you in your social activities, social welfare activities.
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To take some suggestion from us.
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But when we give the suggestion you reject it. That is your position.
