## Varṇāśrama Is Possible and It Must Be Done Perfectly **Prabhupāda:** Chanting will go on. That is not stopped. But at the same time the *varṇāśrama-dharma* must be established to make the way easy. **Hari-śauri: **Well, at least my own understanding was that the chanting was introduced in the Age of Kali because *varṇāśrama* is not possible. **Prabhupāda: **Because it will cleanse the mind. Chanting will not stop. **Hari-śauri: **So therefore the chanting was introduced to replace all of the systems of *varṇāśrama* and like that. Prabhupāda: Yes, it can replace, but who is going to replace it? The... People are not so advanced. If you imitate Haridāsa Ṭhākura to chant, it is not possible. Satsvarūpa: We tell them go on with your job but chant also. Prabhupāda: Yes. *Thākaha āpanāra kāje*, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. *Āpanāra kāja ki.* Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommended, *sthāne sthitaḥ*. And if they do not remain in the *sthāna*, then the *sahajiyā's* chanting will come. Just like the *sahajiyās* also have got the beads and..., but they have got three dozen women. This kind of chanting will go on. Just like our (name withheld). He was not fit for *sannyāsa* but he was given *sannyāsa*. And five women he was attached, and he disclosed. Therefore *varṇāśrama-dharma* is required. Simply show-bottle will not do. So the *varṇāśrama-dharma* should be introduced all over the world, and... Satsvarūpa: Introduced starting with ISKCON community? Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. *Brāhmaṇa*, *kṣatriyas*. There must be regular education. Hari-śauri: But in our community, if the..., being as we're training up as Vaiṣṇavas... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Hari-śauri:** ...then how will we be able to make divisions in our society? **Prabhupāda: **Vaiṣṇava is not so easy. The *varṇāśrama-dharma* should be established to become a Vaiṣṇava. It is not so easy to become Vaiṣṇava. **Hari-śauri: **No, it's not a cheap thing. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Therefore this should be made. Vaiṣṇava, to become Vaiṣṇava, is not so easy. If Vaiṣṇava, to become Vaiṣṇava is so easy, why so many fall down, fall down? It is not easy. —Room Conversation Varṇāśrama System Must Be Introduced Māyāpur, 14 February 1977 Actually, a Vaiṣṇava is above this *varṇāśrama-dharma*. But we don't claim that we have become perfect Vaiṣṇava. We are not so impudent. —Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam [[sb/1/8/41|1.8.41]] Lecture Māyāpur, 21 October 1974 **In big scale you cannot make all of them as *brāhmaṇas* or *sannyāsīs***. No. That is not possible. This is a small scale. How many percentage of people of the world we are controlling? Very insignificant. **But if you want to make the whole human society perfect, then this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement should be introduced according to Kṛṣṇa's instruction**, if you want to do it in a large scale for the benefit of the whole human society. **Now we are picking up some of them, best.** That is another thing. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu said *para-upakāra*. **Why a certain section should be picked up?** The whole mass of people will get the benefit of it. Then it is required, systematic. *Sve sve karmaṇy abhirataḥ saṁsiddhiṁ labhate naraḥ*. *Para-upakāra* means mass benefit, not there is certain section. Then we have to introduce this *varṇāśrama-dharma*. **It must be done perfectly, and it is possible and people will be happy**. —Room Conversation Varṇāśrama System Must Be Introduced Māyāpur, 14 February 1977 **Prabhupāda:** No luxuries. Live very simple life and you save time for chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. **Haṁsadūta:** Yes, Prabhupāda. **Prabhupāda:** That is my desire. Don't waste time for bodily comforts. You have got this body. You have to eat something. You have to cover yourself. So produce your own food and produce your own cloth. Don't waste time for luxury, and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is success of life. In this way organize as far as possible, either in Ceylon or in Czechoslovakia, wherever... Save time. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Don't be allured by the machine civilization. **Haṁsadūta:** Yes, Prabhupāda. **Prabhupāda:** This is soul-killing civilization, this kind way of life, especially European countries. Anywhere you can inhabit it. It is not very difficult. A cottage; you can produce your own food anywhere. Am I right? **Haṁsadūta:** Yes, Prabhupāda. We will do it. **Prabhupāda:** And money, spend for Kṛṣṇa—for Kṛṣṇa's palace, for Kṛṣṇa's temple, for Kṛṣṇa's worship, gorgeous, as gorgeously as... Not for false... This is the human civilization. And to organize this, *varṇāśrama* will help you to divide the society—*brāhmaṇa*, *kṣatriya*, *vaiśya*—as there is division in the body. That will help. Don't waste human form of body for sense gratification. I wanted to introduce this. Now I have given you ideas. You can do it. You are all intelligent. For Caitanya Mahāprabhu's *para-upakāra*... So you do good to others. Not exploit others. Any human being who has been bestowed by this body has the capacity to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Give them chance and make situation favorable. Is that clear? —Room Conversation Vṛndāvana, 8 October 1977 Instructions of the Previous Āc*āryas*