## Self-sufficiently or Commercial Production? Mauritius, October 2, 1975 - Morning Walk **Capitalism versus communism...grow to eat or grow to sell?—subsistence versus market-oriented production** **Cyavana**: The capitalists are so anxious for money that they exploit this tendency of the living entity to enjoy by tempting him. Every year they create some new way to entice him. **Prabhupāda**: And taxation. And the taxation is divided among them. The tax is meant for public welfare. Instead of public welfare, they divide it amongst themselves and enjoy wine, women, motorcar and flesh. That's all. This is going on. All this income tax-plundering process. This income tax means a plan how to take away everything from the actually earning members of the society. That is income tax. And that is divided amongst administrators. That's all. **Cyavana**: Here it is very prominent. The workers in the fields, they are barely making enough to live from day to day. But the planters who live in France, they are taking millions of *rupees* and living very comfortably. **Prabhupāda**: Therefore Communism is coming. Go this way? **Cyavana**: Is it this way? We can go this way. This way. Or better this way. Now he's coming the other way. **Prabhupāda**: (break) ...create another danger. Just like airplane. It is comfortable. You can quickly go from one place to another. But as soon as on the plane, immediately your life is at risk. There is no certainty. So this is the way of material world. You create some comfort and you create some greater danger also. Side by side. It cannot be unhampered comfort. That is not possible. You create a motorcar—the same thing—you drive very speedy and you meet accident. Railway, the accident. There was no need. You produce your food locally and produce your milk. Then eat, drink, and live comfortably. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. Make your life successful. *Yad uttama-śloka-guṇānuvarṇanam*. [SB [[sb/1/5/22 1972|1.5.22]]]: "...Transcendental descriptions of the Lord, who is defined in choice poetry.] And if you have got education, then describe the glories of the Lord by your scientific and educational qualification. (break) The rain is coming. We can go this way. *Yad uttama-śloka-guṇānuvarṇanam*. (break) **Prabhupāda**: Then... Then you are useless. Because you cannot go to the ultimate point of education, therefore your education is useless. **Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa**: But then they will ask, "You will come and bring me food?" **Prabhupāda**: Yes, I will give you food. Food is there. You are not creating food. It is... From the earth it is grown. **Brahmānanda**: But we have to work very hard; otherwise we won't get money for buying food. **Prabhupāda**: No. You work a very slight three months in a year and get all food. Food is there; milk is there; land is there. You have to work... **Cyavana**: That is their propaganda. (break) **Prabhupāda**: There was no... We don't require all these things because we know others are victims. They pay for it. And they work hard for the money and pay to work. That's all. Our men never touch this Coca-Cola and cigarette, but others, they are mad after it. **Brahmānanda**: They say they have to work so hard to get food, but actually they are working hard for this. **Prabhupāda**: He'll get food. Food they can grow very easily, but they... Anartha. This is called anartha. *Anartha* means unnecessarily.* Ādau śraddh tata sādhu-saṅgo 'tha bhajana-kriy tato 'nartha-nivṛtti syāt*. So *anartha-nivṛtti* civilization, not *anartha* increasing. Civilization means *anartha-nivṛtti syāt* because we are complicated by the *anarthas*, unwanted things. (break) ...this way there is bulls, horses for transport. But what is the use of these big, big motorbuses and acquire petrol, machine, factory, so many things? But nature's way there is already means of transport. The horses are there. The bulls are there. But they will eat them, and they will create these motor big, big buses and then petrol, then fight... **Prabhupāda**:* Accha bole tomare lagdha, suta jagat murare*.(?) You give me that *chewra* and milk and banana, nothing else. (break) ...and so much useless labor for growing tea, that will be stopped. You can grow food. (break) You drink tea, you'll require sugar. Then unnecessarily producing so much sugarcane. And the by-product of sugarcane, molasses, you'll have to utilize. Then produce wine, liquor. One after another. **Indian man**: But our country depends upon sugar. **Prabhupāda**: No, that is mistake. Your country, you can produce your own food. That's all. Why you should depend? You produce food grains. You produce milk. Then your all necessities is supplied. Why should you produce unnecessarily? **Brahmānanda**: Here they use powdered milk because they have no cows. **Prabhupāda**: Just see. And here even by this sugarcane, what is called? Upper part? This part? **Indian man**: We call it *ag*.(?) **Prabhupāda**: Ag, yes. You can maintain thousand of cows. **Indian man**: But that's actually best food, you know. In Punjab they use that. They store it for a year. **Prabhupāda**: But you do not know how to be happy. **Indian man**: Even this land, here they are producing sugarcane. So that is strong for wheat. They can grow plenty of wheat. **Prabhupāda**: Oh, yes. Everything can be grown. **Cyavana**: If sugarcane will grow, anything will grow. It's very fertile. **Indian man**: Because they don't want to do anything, they simply plant the sugarcane and then they want rest for few months, simply getting money and taking and drinking. **Prabhupāda**: Yes. **Indian man**: No work. (break) **Prabhupāda**: ...getting rice, wheat from outside, they can charge any price because the price of grain is increasing. **Indian man**: Any time, they can stop it. **Prabhupāda**: You can stop it. (end) Illusionary Progress, Mauritius, October 3, 1975: Morning Walk