## Spiritual Communism Moscow, June 22, 1971 Conversation With Professor Kotovsky HIGHLIGHTS: **Varṇāśrama cannot be artificially abolished...it will exist in one form or another in every society ** **Note:** In 1971, during his historic visit to the Soviet Union, Śrīla Prabhupāda was introduced to Professor Grigoriy Kotovsky, head of the India Department at the U.S.S.R. Academy of Sciences and chairman of the Indian studies department at the University of Moscow. As they sat informally in Dr. Kotovsky's office, the spiritual leader and the communist scholar vigorously discussed topics of mutual concern, and Śrīla Prabhupāda proposed a radical reformation of the communist system. **Prabhupāda:** Modern sociology is targeting the state or the people as the owner of a certain state, but our Vedic conception is *īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ* [Īśo mantra 1]: "Everything is owned by Īśa, the Supreme Controller." *Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā*: "What is given by Him, allotted to you, you enjoy that." *Mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam*: "But do not encroach upon others' property." This is *Īśopaniṣad*, *Vedas*. And the same idea is explained in different *Purāṇas*... The other day I was reading in the, that paper, *Moscow News*, there was a congress, Communist congress, and the president declared that "We are ready to get others' experience to improve." So I think the Vedic concept of socialism or communism will much improve the idea of communism. Just like we are thinking in terms of human beings, in the socialistic state, that "Nobody should starve. Everyone must have his food." **And in the Vedic conception of *gṛhastha*, householder, it is recommended there that a householder shall see that even a lizard living in the room or even a snake living in that house should not starve. They should be also given food. And what to speak of others? **The *gṛhastha*, before taking his lunch, he is recommended to stand on the road and declare that "If anybody is still hungry, please come. Food is ready." Then, if there is no response, then the proprietor of the household life, he takes his lunch. In this way there are so many good concept about this socialistic idea of communism. So I thought that these ideas might have been distributed to some of your thoughtful men. Therefore I was anxious to speak with you. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes, you know, what is interesting... As it is here in our country, with our great interest in the history of old, old god, from this point of view our institute translated into Russian and published many, I may say, literary monuments of great Indian culture. I will have a pleasure to present you a copy of a booklet which was written here by me and my colleagues. It's account of Soviet studies of India. And here there is chapter, chapter second, "Studies of Ancient Indian Texts in the U.S.S.R.. ." You'll be interested to discover, we published not all but some, some in exceptions, *Purāṇas*. We published most of them, then some parts of *Rāmāyaṇa*, eight volumes in Russian, *Mahābhārata*... **Prabhupāda:** Now, amongst these *Purāṇas*, the *Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam* is called the *Mahā-purāṇa*. **Prof. Kotovsky:** *Mahā-purāṇa*. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. So we have translated in English the full, with the original Sanskrit text, its transliteration, an English equivalent for each word, then translation, and then purport, explanation of the verse. In this way there are 18,000's of verses in *Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam*. And the *ācāryas*, the great saintly sages who are the preachers of this *Bhāgavatam* through out India, their opinion is that it is the ripened fruit of the Vedic desire tree.* Nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalaṁ idam*. [SB [[sb/1/1/3 1972|1.1.3]]]: "{O expert and thoughtful men, relish *Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam*} the mature fruit of the desire tree of Vedic literatures.] And it is accepted by all, I mean, Indian scholars, and especially Lord Caitanya, He preached this *Bhāgavata*. So we have got that, complete in English translation. If you want to see some of them, we can show you... **Prof. Kotovsky:** In Leningrad now we have now a branch of our institute dealing mainly... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...with the history of Asiatic culture...Here is a sample account of our book. You will find here some account of what has been translated and what else is being done in the history of Indian philosophy, and now with this Indian philosophy, history of Indian religion, and now with this Indian..., what is Hinduism now, just now in India also. It is very simple account of... **Prabhupāda:** Hinduism is a very complex term. (laughs) **Prof. Kotovsky:** Oh, yes, Hinduism. It is not all... It is really... To my understanding it is not religion from European point of view. It is a really a way of life... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...religion, Indian, a way of philosophy, a way of life, a religion, everything... **Prabhupāda:** **No, this Hinduism, Hindu, this word, is not a Sanskrit word. It is given by the Mohammedans. You know there is a river, Indus, which is..., Sanskrit name is Sindhu. Sindhu.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. **Prabhupāda:** These Mohammedans, they pronounce "S" as "H." "Hindus," "Hindus." Instead of (sic:) "Hindus," they made it "Hindus." So Hindu is a term which is not found in the Sanskrit dictionary. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes. **Prabhupāda:** But it has come into use. But the real cultural institution is called *varṇāśrama*, four *varṇas* and four *āśramas*: *brāhmaṇa*, *kṣatriya*, *vaiśya*, *śūdra*—these four *varṇas*-and *brahmacārī*, *gṛhastha*, *vānaprastha*, and *sannyāsa*. **So according to Vedic concept of life, unless people take to this system or institution of *varṇa* and *āśrama*, four *varṇas* and four *āśramas*, actually he does not become a civilized human being**...One has to take this process, four divisions of *varṇas* and four..., four divisions of social order and four divisions of spiritual order. That is called *varṇāśrama*. So India's culture is based on these four, eight system, *varṇa* and *āśrama*. **Prof. Kotovsky:** *Varnāśrama*. **Prabhupāda:** *Varṇa*, *varṇāśrama*. And in the *Bhagavad-gītā*—perhaps you have read *Bhagavad-gītā*—there is also the statement, *cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ* [Bg [[bg/4/13|4.13]]]. It is... This system is created originally by Viṣṇu. **So as everything is creation of the Supreme, they cannot be changed. That is a prevalent everywhere, like the Sun**. Sun is creation of the Supreme. So sunshine is here in America, in Russia, in India—everywhere.** Similarly, this *varṇāśrama* system is prevalent everywhere in some form or other.** Just like the *brāhmaṇas*. The *brāhmaṇas* means the most intelligent class of men, brain, brain of the society. Then the *kṣatriyas*, the administrator class. Then the *vaiśyas*, the productive class, and the *śūdras*, the worker class. These four classes of men are everywhere present in different names. And **because it is creation by the original creator, so it is prevalent everywhere, *varṇāśrama-dharma*.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** But you know, what is interesting to... It is the opinion of some European and old, old Russian scholars, this *varṇāśrama* system... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:**...is a bit late creation. If you would trace the old *sūtras*, texts, of Vedic literature, you would find much more simple and egalitarian society. **And there is an opinion that this *varṇāśrama* system was introduced into Indian society on the late stage of Vedic era** but not from the beginning, about... If you would analyze scientifically the old texts, you'll find that... [break]....about the duration of this period because unfortunately the old classic India we have not so much information. **Prabhupāda:** But so far... So far we are concerned, this *Bhagavad-gītā*... It is mentioned in the *Bhagavad-gītā*, *cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam* [Bg [[bg/4/13|4.13]]]. Now, this *Bhagavad-gītā* was spoken five thousand years ago, and in the *Bhagavad-gītā* it is said that "This system of *Bhagavad-gītā* was first spoken by Me to the Sun-god." So if you take estimation of that period, it comes forty millions of years. So whether the European scholars can trace out the history of at least for five thousand years together, not to speak of forty millions? **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes. **Prabhupāda:** **So we have got evidences that his *varṇāśrama* system is current at least for the five thousand years, *varṇāśrama* system.** And this *varṇāśrama* system is mentioned in the *Viṣṇu Purāṇa* also. *Varnāśramā caravata puruṣeṇa paraḥ pumān* [*Cc Madhya* [[cc/madhya/8/58|8.58]]] [*Viṣṇu Purāṇa* 3.8.9]. *Varnāśrama acaravata*. So that is stated in the *Viṣṇu Purāṇa*. And so *varṇāśrama-dharma* is not a, within any historical period calculated in the modern age. It is natural. In the *Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam* the comparison is given, just like in your body, in my body, there are four divisions, the face, facial, or the brain division, and the arms division, the belly division, and the leg division, similarly,** by nature's way these four divisions are existing in the social body**. You may take history wherever you begin, but this is existing. A class of men, they are considered to be brain. A class of men, they are considered to be the arms, administrators. And a class of men, they are called productive class. So there is no need of tracing the history. It is naturally existing from the day of creation. **Prof. Kotovsky:** According to so many... You have just told that in any society there are four divisions, but the case is not so easy to distinguish. For instance, one can group, one can group, group together, different social classes and professional groups into four divisions in any society. There's no difficulty. Only difficulty, for instance,** in socialist society of our country and a socialist society how can you distinguish productive group and workers?** **Prabhupāda:** **Just like you belong to the intelligent class of men.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** Intelligent, yes, so... **Prabhupāda:** **So this is a division.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes, intelligent class, for instance, *brāhmaṇas*, if you can put together also with intelligentsia under the *brāhmaṇas*... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** **Then administrative staff...** **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...everywhere. **Prabhupāda: *Kṣatriya*.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** From top to... From top to collective farm, for instance, is *kṣatriyas*. But who would be here *vaiśya* and who *śūdra*? That is the difficulty because all others will be workers—factory workers, collective farm workers and so on. So from this point of view... **Prabhupāda:** From this point of view... **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...there is a great distinction, in my opinion, between socialist society and all societies preceding socialist because in a modern western society you can group all social professions, classes, for instance, practically, very conditionally, you know, at least you can, the *brāhmaṇas*, *kṣatriyas*... Excuse me... Then this *vaiśya*, this productive class, is owners... **Prabhupāda:** That is... **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...of the means of production... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...these factory owners, for instance. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** **And the *śūdras* are workers, menial workers. But here you have no *vaiśyas*** from this point of view because you have administrative staff... In fact, there is administrative staff. You can call them *kṣatriyas*. And then *śūdras*, that's workers themselves. But not this intermediate class. **Prabhupāda:** That is stated, *kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ*:** "In this age practi cally all men will be *śūdras*."** That is... That is predicted.** But if there are simply *śūdras*, then the social order will be destroyed.** You... Just like in spite of your state of *śūdras*, a *brāhmaṇa* is found here. And that is necessity. So if you do not divide the social order in such a way, then there will be chaos. that is the scientific estimation of the Vedas. You may... **You may belong for the time being to the *śūdra* class, but to maintain the social order you have to train some of the *śūdras* to become *brāhmaṇa*, some of the *śūdras* to become *kṣatriyas*. You cannot depend on the *śūdras*. Then there will be chaos. **Neither you can depend only on *brāhmaṇa*. Just like to fulfill the necessities of your body there must be a portion called the brain, there must be a portion called the arms, there must be a portion called the stomach, or the belly, and there must be a portion which is called the leg. **The leg is also required, the brain is also required, the arm is also required—for cooperation, to fulfill the mission of the whole body. So any, any society you conceive, unless there are these four divisions, there will be chaos. **It will be, not be properly, I mean to say, going on, smoothly going on. There will be some disturbance. Brain must be there. So at the present moment there is scarcity of brain. I am not talking of your state or my state. I am taking the world as it is. The brain... Formerly the Indian administration was going on in monarchy. Just like this picture. This picture is a *kṣatriya* king. Before his death he renounced his, I mean to say, royal order and he came to the forest to hear about self-realization. **So if you want to maintain the peace and prosperity of the whole worldly social order, you must create a class of men very intelligent, a class of men very expert in administration, a class of men very expert in production, and a class of men to work. **That is required. You cannot avoid it. That is the Vedic conception. *Mukha-bāhūru-padebhyaḥ*. They say, *mukha*... *Mukha* means the face. *Bahu* means the arm. *Uru* means this, this, or waist. And *pada*. So anywhere, either you take this state or that state—doesn't matter—**unless there is a smooth, systematic establishment of these four orders of life, the state or the society will not go very smoothly.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** Generally it seems to me that this old *varṇāśrama* system to some extent practiced the nature of division of labor in ancient society. So now division of labor among people in any society is much more complicated and sophisticated. So it would be very... **Prabhupāda:** Not complicated. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...conditionally(?) to group them in four classes because... **Prabhupāda:** **The, the confusion, confusion has come into existence because in India in later days the son of a *brāhmaṇa*, without having the brahminical qualification, claimed to be *brāhmaṇa*, and others, out of superstition or traditional way, they were accepted as *brāhmaṇa*.** Therefore the Indian social order has disrupted. But our, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, we are picking up from everywhere *brāhmaṇas*, everywhere, because the world needs the brain of a *brāhmaṇa*. Just like here, Mahārāja Parīkṣit, although he was a monarch, he had a body of learned sages and *brāhmaṇas* to consult, advisory body. It is not that the monarchs were independent. In the history it is found that some of the monarchs were not in order. They were dethroned by the brahminical advisory committee. Although the *brāhmaṇas*, they did not take part in politics, but they would give advice to the monarch how to, I mean to say, execute the royal function. Just like not, not very old, very, say, about... What is the age of, I mean to say, Aśoka? Say about thousands of years ago. **Prof. Kotovsky:** As we call from our... In our terminology we call, in ancient and medieval India... **Prabhupāda:** Med... Yes. In medieval India. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...and old and feudal India, you are right, this was very often. And from *brāhmaṇas* the major part of height is(?) religious stuff (?) (rigid stock) in religious department(?). Even Mogul emperors, there were *brāhmaṇas* who advised modern Mogul emperors... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...in administration... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...and such like. **Prabhupāda:** Our predecessor *ācārya*, Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was finance minister in the Mohammadan government. He was. When he resigned, the Nawab was not very satisfied, that "I cannot relieve you because you are my right hand man. If you resign all of a sudden in this way, then I shall arrest you." There is a long history. So that's a fact.** The brāhmaṇas were kept [as] advisory committee of the king... **Now, as I was going to speak, the latest Hindu king, Candragupta...is the age of Alexander the Great because a little before Candragupta, Alexander the Great from Greece, they went to India and conquered some portion. So this Candragupta, when he became emperor, he had his prime minister, Canakya. Perhaps you heard this name, Canak... Ca-na-kya. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Canakya. Oh, yes. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. He was a great politician, *brāhmaṇa*. And under whose name in New Delhi all the foreign embassies, they are flocked together. Yes. It is called Canakya Purī. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Hm hm. Canakya Purī, yes, I know. **Prabhupāda:** So this Canakya Paṇḍita was a great politician and *brāhmaṇa*. And as *brāhmaṇa*, he was vastly learned. He has got some moral instruc tion. They're very valuable, still going on. In India school children are taught. **So this Canakya Paṇḍita, although he was prime minister, he maintained his brahminical spirit. **He was not accepting any salary, yes, because for *brāhmaṇas* to accept salary, it is understood that he becomes a dog. That is stated in the *Śrīmad-Bhāgavata*. He can advise, but he cannot accept. **So he was living in a cottage, but he was prime minister. **So this brahminical culture, the brahminical brain, is the standard of Vedic civilization...So many things they're changing. But before this modern age the whole Hindu society was being governed by *Manu-smṛti*. **Prof. Kotovsky:** In all periods in India... **Prabhupāda:** *Manu-smṛti*. Now they are changing so many. Strictly speaking, the modern Hindus, they are not strictly according to the Hindu scripture. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Oh, yes. **Prabhupāda:** No. They are not...** So our point is, we are not going to bring back the old type of Hindu society. It is not that.** **Prof. Kotovsky:** It is impossible. **Prabhupāda:** It is impossible. **Our idea is that best ideas from the original idea. **Just like in the *Bhāgavata* there is a description of communistic idea, and it is being described to Mahārāja Yudhisthira.** So if there is something good, good experience, why it should not be adopted?*** *That is our point of view...In the modern civilization the ultimate goal, aim, is sense gratification. That's all. Beyond that, they do not know anything more. They do not know what is next life. There is no department of knowledge or science, scientific department, to study what is there after life, after finishing this body. That is a great, I mean to say, department of knowledge... **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...What I am most interested in is, for instance, not a student but a young worker or a young son of a farmer—he would abstain from his old life and he would be initiated and join your community into a given center. How he would entertain himself?...Would he be paid to stay in that center? **Prabhupāda:** ...**This propaganda is meant for creating some *brāhmaṇas* all over the world because the *brāhmaṇa* element is lacking**, so one who seriously comes to us, he has to become a *brāhmaṇa*. So he has to adopt the occupation of a *brāhmaṇa*, and he has to give up the occupation of a *kṣatriya* or a *śūdra*. **But if one wants to keep his profession, at the same time wants to understand also, that is allowed. **Just like we have many professors. There is Howard Wheeler, professor of Ohio University. He's my disciple. So he is continuing his professorship. But whatever money he's getting, almost he's spending for our, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. For *gṛhasthas*, those who are householders living outside, they are expected to contribute fifty per cent of the income for the society, twenty-five per cent for the family, and twenty-five per cent for his personal emergency. After all, in this world, if we live... **So far we are concerned, we are *sannyāsī*, but you are a professor. If there is some emergency, you cannot go to beg.** But I am a *sannyāsī*. I can tell you that I am in difficulty. That is the system. **So we have got four orders**. Just like he's *brahmacārī*, and he's *gṛhastha*. He has got his wife, children. So he's a *gṛhastha*. He's a *brahmacārī*. Similarly, there is *sannyāsī*. So that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's teaching. **It doesn't matter whether one is a *gṛhastha*, householder, or renounced order or a *brahmacārī* or a *brāhmaṇa* or *śūdra*. It doesn't matter. If anyone understands the science of Kṛṣṇa, he becomes the spiritual master.** The exact word is, in Bengali: > kibā vipra, kibā nyāsī, śūdra kene naya yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei 'guru' haya [Cc Madhya [[cc/madhya/8/128|8.128]]] Anyone who understands the science of Kṛṣṇa, he can become... **Prof. Kotovsky:** *Guru*. **Prabhupāda:** ...the spiritual master. **Prof. Kotovsky:** I understand. **But in generally, by creating *brāhmaṇas* from different social classes of society, really you deny the old prescription of Hindu script.. **Because according to old script, the *Purāṇas*, etc., every member of one of the four classes, these *varṇas*... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Prof. Kotovsky:** **...is to be born inside it...** **Prabhupāda:** No, no, no. **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...but not appointed. **Prabhupāda:** No, no, no, no. No, no, no. **Prof. Kotovsky:** This is the major... **Prabhupāda:** No, no... I am sorry... **Prof. Kotovsky:** ...foundation of all the *varṇas*. **Prabhupāda:** You are not speaking correctly...With great respect** I beg to submit, you are, that you are not speaking correctly. **In the *Bhagavad-gītā* it is stated,* cātur-varṇyaṁ māyā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ*: [Bg [[bg/4/13|4.13]]] "These four orders of *brāhmaṇa*, *kṣatriya*, *vaiśya*, *śūdra* is created by Me according to quality and work." **There is no mention of birth. **There is no mention of birth. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes, I agree with you that this was addition of late *brāhmaṇas* who tried to... **Prabhupāda:** No, that,** that has killed the Indian culture.** You see? Otherwise there was no necessity of division of this Pakistan. Not only that, from history, perhaps you know, this whole planet was Bhārata-varṣa, and it was controlled by one flag up to Mahārāja Parīkṣit. Gradually they separated, separated. This is the history. And lately, they have separated Pakistan. So Bhārata-varṣa is now crippled into a small piece of land. Otherwise...according to our scripture, Vedic scripture, this whole planet is called Bhārata-varṣa... **Prof. Kotovsky:** **Have you come across some hostile attitude to your teaching from orthodox Hindu, from orthodox *brāhmaṇas* in India itself?** **Prabhupāda:** But rather, we have subdued them. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Ah, yes. **Prabhupāda:** ...**Any orthodox Hindu may come, but we have got our weapons, Vedic evidences.** So nobody has come... **Prof. Kotovsky:** And how many disciples you have in India itself? From three thousand, how many members of your community you have in India itself? **Prabhupāda:** In India? **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes. **Prabhupāda:** And India, there are many Kṛṣṇa conscious persons, hundred thousands, millions. India, there is no question. There is not a single Hindu who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Yes, I understand, but this, especially, specifically... **Prabhupāda:** Vaiṣṇava. This is called Vaiṣṇava cult. The Vaiṣṇavas, as you know—you have been in India—there are many millions of Vaiṣṇavas. **Prof. Kotovsky:** Oh, yes. **Prabhupāda:** Many millions of Vaiṣṇavas and... Just like this gentleman. He is a commander of the Air, India Air Lines. So he's not my disciple, but he's a Vaiṣṇava, Kṛṣṇa conscious. Similarly, in India millions and trillions there are, Kṛṣṇa conscious persons. And practically there is not a single... **Even there are Mohammedans who are Kṛṣṇa conscious.** In Allahabad University there is a Mohammadan professor. He's a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa. So this is natural. It is said in the *Caitanya-caritāmṛta* that Kṛṣṇa con sciousness is everywhere, in everyone's heart. It has to be awakened only by this process. That's all. It is there in your heart also. It is not that it is foreign to you. It is not that. In everyone's heart, there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. By this process we have to awaken that.* Śravaṇādi śuddha citte karaye udaya. *[From Madhya 22.107: "Pure love for Kṛṣṇa is eternally established in the hearts of living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, the living entity naturally awakens.] *Udaya*. You know this word *udaya*. Just like sun rises. It is not that sun all of a sudden comes from somewhere. It is there, but it rises in the morning. Similarly, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is everywhere, but some way or other, it is now covered. By this process it is awakened and aroused, by association... The other day...in Bombay, I think, I was speaking some respectable gentlemen that "Kṛṣṇa says: > māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim [Bg [[bg/9/32|9.32]]] Kṛṣṇa says, 'Even those who are low-born, *pāpa-yoni*—the *striya*, *vaiśya* and *śūdra*, they are also included—but by accepting Me, accepting my shelter, they are also elevated to the transcendental position.' **Now, why the higher class of Hindu society, they neglected this injunction of *Bhagavad-gītā*?** Suppose one is *pāpa-yoni*. Kṛṣṇa says that 'They can be elevated to the transcendental position if they accept Me.' Why this propaganda was not done by the higher class people so that the so-called *pāpa-yoni* could be elevated? Why you rejected them? **The result was that the Mohammedans... Instead of accepting them, you rejected them, and they have partitioned, and they have gone away, and they have become eternal enemy of India.**" You see? So this is the first time that we are trying to elevate to the highest position of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even one is in the *pāpa-yoni*. It doesn't matter because soul is pure.* Asaṅgo 'yaṁ puruṣaḥ*. The *Vedas* says, "The soul is untouched by any material contamination." Simply, temporarily, he is covered. This covering should be opened. Then he becomes pure. That is the mission of human life, to uncover ourselves from this material envelopment and come to the spiritual understanding, surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Get All Your Necessities from the Land, London, November 25, 1973: *Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam *1.10.4