# October 18 *Lectures from this day: 11 recordings* --- **[[spoken/681018le.sea|Lecture — October 18, 1968, Seattle]]** So we are worshiping Govindam, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the original person. So this sound, *govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi,* is reaching Him. He is hearing. You cannot say that He is not hearing. Can you say? No. Especially in this scientific age, when television, radio messages are broadcast thousands and thousands of miles away, and you can hear, now why can you...? Why Kṛṣṇa cannot hear your prayer, sincere prayer? How can you say it? Nobody can deny it. --- **[[../../spoken/1968/681018ta.sea.md|Talk — October 18, 1968, Seattle]]** *[Lecture file not found]* --- **[[spoken/721018nd.vrn|The Nectar of Devotion — October 18, 1972, Vṛndāvana]]** **Prabhupāda:** [Hindi with someone] [break]Pradyumna:** [reading] "...cannot steadily remain either in sense enjoyment or in renunciation. Change is going on perpetually, and we cannot be happy in either state because of our eternal constitutional position. Sense gratification does not endure for long, and it is therefore called *capala-sukha,* or flickering happiness. For example, an ordinary family man who works very hard day and night and is successful in giving comforts to the members of his family thereby relishes a kind of mellow, but his whole advancement of material happiness immediately terminates along with his body as soon as his life is over. "Death is therefore taken as the representative of God for the atheistic class of men. The devotee realizes the presence of God by devotional service, whereas the atheist realizes the presence of God in the shape of death. At death, everything is finished, and one has to begin a new chapter of life in a new situation, perhaps higher or lower than the last one." **Prabhupāda:** Yes. This is very important point. The atheist class men, they say, "Can you show me God?" There are statements of atheist class, or *sannyāsī* even, that he demanded his spiritual master, "Whether you can show me God?" --- **[[spoken/721018sb.vrn|SB 1.2.7 — October 18, 1972, Vṛndāvana]]** **Pradyumna:Translation:** "By rendering devotional service unto the Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, one immediately acquires causeless knowledge and detachment from the world."* [[sb/1/2/7|[SB. 1.2.7] ]] **Prabhupāda:** So in the previous verse it has been discussed what is first-class religion. *Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje* [[sb/1/2/6|[SB. 1.2.6] ]]. In the lower, animal life, lower species of life, there is no question of religion. We have discussed many times that there is a gradual process of evolution from low..., lower animal life to the human life. *Aśītiṁ caturamś caiva. Aśīti* means eighty, *catura* means four, *lakṣām,* eighty-four *lakhs,* 8,400,000. Non... To tell... *Janma paryayāt.* This is the evolution. From lower animals, from fish to plants, trees, insects, reptiles, birds, beasts. In this way, we come to the human form of life, and this human form of life is meant for *dharma.* Practically also we see that the state laws, state laws are meant for the human beings. State laws are not for the animals. Animals, they do not require to observe the state laws, neither they are able to do so. That is the difference between animal and human being. --- **[[spoken/731018le.bom|Lecture at Bhāratīya Vidyā Bhavān — October 18, 1973, Bombay]]** Śrīman Nandajī, Ladies and Gentlemen, this scarcity of Kṛṣṇa consciousness was felt long, long ago. When, before starting this movement, I tried to approach many friends in India... Sometimes I think I approached late Mr. Munshi also, when he was governor in U.P. I requested that everyone may contribute a son from the family so that I can convert him an actual *brāhmaṇa.* Because the education at the present moment is creating *śūdras.* Actually, there are two kinds of *dharmas: paśu-dharma* and *mānava-dharma. Paśu-dharma* means eating, sleeping, sexual intercourse and defending. This is *paśu-dharma. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca sāmānyam etat paśubhiḥ narānām* [*Hitopadeśa *25]. --- **[[spoken/751018bg.joh|Bg 16.6 — October 18, 1975, Johannesburg]]** There are two classes of men throughout the whole universe. One class is called *daiva* and the other class is called *āsura. Daiva āsura eva ca. Daivo vistaraśaḥ proktaḥ.* So far the *devas* are concerned, Kṛṣṇa has explained in various ways in the last chapters, *ahiṁsā, kṣānti, ārjavam,* how to practice these things. So *viṣṇu-bhakto bhaved devaḥ āsuras tad-viparyayaḥ.* [*Padma Purāṇa*] These two classes, how they are ascertained? One who is a devotee of the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu, they are called *daiva,* or demigods, and persons who know Viṣṇu or may not know—on the whole, they are not devotees of Viṣṇu—even they are devotee of other demigods, they are called *asura.* Just like Rāvaṇa. Rāvaṇa, he was a great devotee of Lord Śiva, but he is described as *asura, rākṣasa.* Similarly, Hiraṇyakaśipu was a great devotee of Lord Brahmā; still, he is accepted as *rākṣasa.* So unless one is Vaiṣṇava, or devotee of the Lord Viṣṇu, he is *asura* or *rākṣasa.* This is the instruction of the *śāstra.* In modern days also, practically nobody is devotee, so how they are described in the *Bhagavad-gītā*? They are described as *duṣkṛtinaḥ, mūḍhāḥ, narādhamāḥ, māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ, āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ* [[bg/7/15|[Bg. 7.15] ]]. These *asuras* also divided into so many classes. The first-class *asura* is the *duṣkṛtina,* one who is engaged in sinful meritorious action. Sinful meritorious. Just like a big thief. There are many organization of smugglers, black market, thieves. They have got brain to organize. Without brain they cannot organize. Now, in the Western countries there are big, big organizations simply for smuggling, cheating and bluffing, and very good brain—educated, lawyers. I have seen practically in New York these cheating concerns. There are many lawyers to help them how to cheat. And they make arrangement, take money from one, cheating. Many organizations. So they are called *duṣkṛtina.* They are educated, they have got good brain, they can act very nicely, but their intelligence is being used for sinful activities. They are called *duṣkṛtina.* They do not know how they shall use their brain. That is going on. That is *jaḍa-vidyā, māyāra vaibhava* [*Śaraṇāgati* 3.3]. They can expand the influence of *māyā.* We are already influenced by *māyā. Prakṛtiṁ mohinīṁ śritaḥ.* *[[bg/9/12|[Bg. 9.12] ]] We have taken this material world as very fascinating, very attractive. We want to stay here and enjoy. This is material life. Everyone who is attracted to the material world, they are sinful or fallen. *Kṛṣṇa-bhuliyā-jiva bhoga vāñchā kare* [*Prema-vivarta 6.2*]. The, our material life begins... We are spirit soul. When our material life...? When we try to deny, try to not serve Kṛṣṇa but independently we want to enjoy life, that is called material life. Independently we want to enjoy without Kṛṣṇa, without God. That is called material life. So such persons are called demons. --- **[[spoken/751018mw.joh|Morning Walk — October 18, 1975, Johannesburg]]** **Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:** They use this argument against us, that the Vedic culture was most solidly founded in India. **Prabhupāda:** But you have to, I mean to say, curb down this rascal civilization. They could not take the Western civilization, and they lost their own civilization. This is India's bad luck. The Britishers did not teach them how to take up the Western culture, but they killed the Eastern culture. You understand? **Prabhupāda:** You have no position. You cannot take the Western culture properly, and you have lost your own culture. This is India's bad luck. They never taught Indians how to become actually Westernized. No. They were not giving them sufficient education. They were very much against higher education in the beginning. They wanted some clerks to conduct their activities, mercantile and government, some third-class, fourth-class men. Educated means A-B-C-D, that's all. "They may know A-B-C-D and take fifty, sixty rupees' salary, and go home outside the town and come in daily passenger train, and work hard here and simply get your money so that you can maintain yourself." Nothing more. No education, no money, no industry. They were not taught properly. Here I see the factories, and the arrangement is so nice. But Indian factories go—it is hell. Hell, simply hell. The Britishers exploited the Indians, and the capitalist class of India, they have learned how to exploit only. --- **[[spoken/761018bg.cha|Bg 13.8-12 [Hindi] — October 7, 1976, Chandigarh]]** **Pradyumna:** > amānitvam adambhitvam > ahiṁśā kṣāntir ārjavam > ācāryopāsanaṁ śaucaṁ > sthairyam ātma-vinigrahaḥ **Translation:** "Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and evenmindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth-all these I thus declare to be knowledge, and what is contrary to these is ignorance." --- **[[spoken/771018r1.vrn|Room Conversation — October 18, 1977, Vṛndāvana]]** **Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:** The main necessity right now is not just sleep, because you've been sleeping for many days, and that hasn't gotten you better. Sleeping, of course, is easier. When one is laying down, it's a little disturbing to the mind if he cannot sleep all the time, but sleeping is not so necessary as getting some nourishment. **Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:** You were sleeping so much yesterday, and even while you're taking these medicines. In other words, the idea with the allopathic medicine is that it does many good things. So I'm sure Dr. Ghosh could recommend something to help you sleep. [some whispering about going to go and see Dr. Ghosh] **Bhavānanda:** That's why we thought, Prabhupāda, we could go to the *kavirāja,* and he would give a mild medicine for helping to induce sleep. --- **[[spoken/771018r2.vrn|Room Conversation with Svarūpa Dāmodara — October 18, 1977, Vṛndāvana]]** **Hṛdayānanda:** Always more or less warm. Tropical, subtropical. Always nice fruits. Perhaps some day, in a Kṛṣṇa conscious world, we'll have to bring many people there, because there's so much unused land, all very green, lots of rivers, very nice, warm, and no one lives there. Thousands of miles of very nice land, and no one is using it. We are sending a few devotees back to Argentina, and we're going to try to see what can be done there. We are hopeful that even though our movement was kicked out there, still, there are many, many people who are chanting sixteen rounds or building altars in their homes and offering their food to Kṛṣṇa. And even since the government's kicked out all the different groups, including ourselves, just by your books circulating, many people are becoming devotees and leaving the country to go to other temples. So actually we're still making devotees there just from the books that were distributed. And now we're investigating to try to again get legal permission, also perhaps establish something like some type of restaurant or farm community there. [break] **Svarūpa Dāmodara:** We're trying to fix a debate in Delhi on October 27th among different scientists and ourselves. **Svarūpa Dāmodara:** This month, yes, October 27th. It was Indian National Science Academy. There are some very well known scientists, including Kothari, D. S. Kothari and other... They told me there is a group of scientists in Delhi, actually from all over India. It's called Mind Group. They like to do research on nature of consciousness. And they told me that it would be very good if we have a debate between our group and their group. So I agreed to that. And the Mishra, actually, the one who came last time, he also belongs to that group, and Kothari is the chairman of that group, and there's one Bengali called Lankadas[?] Gupta. He's the secretary. They all belong to that group. So they're going to invite us for a, they call, a round-table debate. It will be about twenty people from their side and five from our side. So we're going to have a confrontation. And also Dr. Khorana told me that when I come I can fix a television program in Delhi to appear us, and they're going to interview us in the Indian television. But I've decided to establish Bombay as a... Since we have everything there ready, I'd like to furnish with office, and also I requested our members to stay here for some time. So they're going to establish the library also. I have plans to contact many leading scientists, personal goal. So we'll all go out with our books, and we'll try to make them members of the Institute. Also in the process we'll speak and make engagements, and also we'll try to request them to help us in pushing this Movement, plus we'll request them to review our books on a scientific level. And so that way we can make friends and they can help us in, I think, various ways. I think that... I'm thinking of charging one hundred rupees only for membership. This is called annual membership. It's like in any other institution we have this membership program. Just like I am a member of American Chemical Society. We have annual membership fees. So just like that, we'll generate, called subscriber members, and they will get our journal, *Sa-Vijñānam,* free. This is, er... And they'll renew this every year. I just discussed this morning with my members that we should plan to make many members while we're here, six months in India. Then yesterday we were discussing about our possible permanent place in the United States. And I suggested that, from my experience, that Atlanta was very, very nice place especially to do writing, because the atmosphere is nice and the climate is also nice, and it's natural setting. It is very conducive, especially thinking and writing type of work. So I decided that until at least we have a permanent place, I like to stay for a few years in Atlanta. Then they will stay about three, four years to do the..., some of our main writing. And then also we can do the preaching, side by side. So instead of going to Europe, we'll go back to the United States after the Māyāpur festival, and then we'll do more writing, and in the process we'll also make several engagements in the United States. We'll start preaching now. Also Amarendra, that I requested... He's in Balavanta's zone. He's the president in Gainesville. He's the one who's good in making engagements for us. He's very enthusiastic. But he cannot come outside United States. So I thought it will also be very practical to be in Atlanta. Then in the process we'll look for a possible permanent place in Washington, DC, so that we can work out slowly, but... At least four, five years we'll be engaged in writing. So... And also we'll request, make many members as possible from the scientific community. --- **[[spoken/771018r3.vrn|Room Conversation — October 18, 1977, Vṛndāvana]]** --- title: Lecture — October 18, 1977, Vrndavana date: 1977-10-18 permalink: spoken/771018r3.vrn description: "...would that be all right? Of course, first they're going to finish this gate. Should I go and see it tomorrow? Yes, I did today. There's some things we have to get clarified. Well, first of all a co..." --- Room Conversation — *October 18, 1977, Vṛndāvana **Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:** ...would that be all right? Of course, first they're going to finish this gate. Should I go and see it tomorrow? **Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:** Well, first of all a conveyance is drawn up according to the sales agreement. So without seeing the sales agreement, it's very hard to know if everything is accurate. The sales agreement is kept with the Central Bank of India in Calcutta. So we're... --- ## Letters - [[../../letters/1967/671018_mukunda.md|Letter to Mukunda, 1967]] - [[../../letters/1968/681018_dayananda.md|Letter to Dayananda, 1968]] - [[../../letters/1968/681018_harer_nama_tosana_krsna.md|Letter to Harer Nama Tosana Krsna, 1968]] - [[../../letters/1968/681018_krsna_devi.md|Letter to Krsna Devi, 1968]] - [[../../letters/1968/681018_nandarani.md|Letter to Nandarani, 1968]] - [[../../letters/1968/681018_umapati.md|Letter to Umapati, 1968]] - [[../../letters/1969/691018_gargamuni.md|Letter to Gargamuni, 1969]] - [[../../letters/1969/691018_tamala_krsna.md|Letter to Tamala Krsna, 1969]] - [[../../letters/1973/731018_govardhan_das.md|Letter to Govardhan Das, 1973]] - [[../../letters/1973/731018_jagadisa.md|Letter to Jagadisa, 1973]] - [[../../letters/1973/731018_kirtanananda.md|Letter to Kirtanananda, 1973]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_ajita.md|Letter to Ajita, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_bhagavan_prabhu.md|Letter to Bhagavan Prabhu, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_dhananjaya_das.md|Letter to Dhananjaya Das, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_gangamayi.md|Letter to Gangamayi, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_giriraja.md|Letter to Giriraja, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_ksirodakasayi.md|Letter to Ksirodakasayi, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1974/741018_nandalal.md|Letter to Nandalal, 1974]] - [[../../letters/1975/751018_manager_state_bank_of_india.md|Letter to Manager State Bank Of India, 1975]]