# August 9 ## Spoken on August 9 *Lectures from this day: 13 recordings* --- **[1971: Room Conversation [Partially Recorded](spoken/1971/710809r1.lon)** > And it is this, the dualistic, I would like to... If you could just explain to me the difference between the..., I mean, how this fits in, the monistic, or the idea of the unitary view that Kṛṣṇa is everything, is all and in all, and then at the same time that the world..., there is this world of illusion, which is somehow distinct from Kṛṣṇa. Now could you just explain this point to me? --- **[1972: Room Conversation](spoken/1972/720809r1.lon)** > So from argumentative point of view I can say, "Why you are crying? Your father is lying here." "No, no, my father is gone." Then you have not seen your father. You have seen this body. So this body is not your father. You have to admit. Therefore, the person whom you saw, the body, that was all based on ignorance. That is going on. > So this education... Now these four classes of men should cooperate. Just like in my body there is brain, there is hand, there is belly and there is leg. Importance of leg is not so serious as the head. The importance of hand is not so serious as the head. You can cut your hand, you live. But if I cut your head, then you cannot live. But when we cooperate, the head is as important as the leg. If there is no leg, simply head, then you are imperfect. --- **[1972: Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.2.11](spoken/1972/720809sb.lon)** > So I am eternal. So therefore my next inquiry should be, "What is my next body? How I am preparing for it? I see there are so many varieties of body—cats, dogs, trees, insect, aquatics, rich man, poor man, leper, diseased. So many types of bodies there are. Which one I am going to select?" This is called *tattva-jijñāsā*. And if I sleep, "Oh, let it be," then if you get the body of a tree, then stand up on the bench for ten thousand years. This is called *tattva-jijñāsā. Jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā*. What kind of body I can get? But Kṛṣṇa is so kind, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He is giving out information: "Yes," *yānti deva-vratā devān*, "if you want the body of demigods..." > Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās*. He is blind, and other blind rascals, they will follow. They will follow. "Oh, this Swāmījī has got so many followers." I don't want such followers. I don't want rascals; I want one real man. Then I think my mission is successful. *Ekaś candras tamo hanti na ca tārāḥ sahasraśaḥ* [Cāṇakya Paṇḍita]. I don't want millions of stars; I want only moon. --- **[1973: Car Conversation After meeting with Cardinal Danielou](spoken/1973/730809cr.par)** > And the animal eats simple grass. Does it mean that you are advanced than the animals? There is no logic. Eating is eating. "One man's food, another man's poison." That is another thing. But eating is there. Somebody eats poison; somebody eats ordinary... But eating is there. So nobody can avoid eating. That is the main symptom. Even in human society, there are different varieties of food. We Indian, we like a different type of dish. European, Americans, they like a [indistinct]. But eating is there. Either American, Indian or cats, dogs, eating must be there. That is real symptom. After eating, you must sleep. That is essential. So where is the difference of real character..., characteristic between the animals and the human beings? > So if you think spiritually, then you'll see. Just like *Bhagavad-gītā,* Kṛṣṇa claims, *sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya* : "In all forms of life, the living entities are there, and they are My sons." So this is metaphysical? Or if some third-class man says that there is no soul in the animal, that is metaphysical? Which one is metaphysical? Kṛṣṇa speaking will be metaphysical, or a third-class fool's statement will be taken as metaphysical? Which one is metaphysical? First of all tell me. --- **[1973: Lecture at Hotel de Ville](spoken/1973/730809le.par)** > So we have got two bodies, just like coat and shirt. The coating body is made of five elements—earth, water, air, fire, sky; and the subtle body is made of mind, intelligence and ego. So when the gross body is finished, we remain within the subtle body: mind, intelligence and ego. So as the air carries the flavor, similarly the mind, intelligence, carries the soul to another gross body. There are 8,400,000's forms of bodies. Some of them are aquatics, some of them are trees, some of them are plants, some of them are insects, some of them are birds, some of them are beasts—and at last the human body is obtained. Therefore human form of body is the nature's best gift to the living entity entangled in repetition of birth and death. > So in the human form of body we can understand our real, constitutional position. So if the leaders of the human society do not give education to the human society, how the spirit soul can get out of the clutches of birth, death, old age and disease? You have rightly said that Indian sages and great personalities, they specifically cultivated this knowledge, how the living entity encaged in this material body can be liberated. Therefore, to give education to the human society how he can get out of this entanglement of birth, death, old and disease is the best welfare activity. We can remember the history in your country: there was great Napoleon. In other countries also there were many big heroes. They constructed their country very nicely, but at last they had to leave the country. --- **[1973: Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou](spoken/1973/730809r2.par)** > So we accept this philosophy also that a, one animal, one living entity is meant for being food for another living entity. *Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam*. That we also accept. But that does not mean—one living entity is the food for another living entity—that does not mean I can kill my mother, my child... That is not... So at least this must be taken into consideration that cows, innocent, they give us milk, we take its milk, and we kill in regular slaughterhouse, this is not very good thing. It is sinful. >not really exists, and we think so. We think that animals, plant are not real beings, are world of appearance, and that you human person only is real being. And that in this sense, the material world is without importance. --- **[1974: Bhagavad-gītā 7.3](spoken/1974/740809bg.vrn)** > They simply superficially study Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they cannot understand how great is Kṛṣṇa. In the Western world they say, "God is great." But one should understand how great He is. That is *tattvataḥ.* Otherwise, we shall be misled. We cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. *Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam*. The rascals, fools, asses—*mūḍhāḥ* means asses—they deride Kṛṣṇa, "Oh, Kṛṣṇa I understand. What is that Kṛṣṇa?" Not like that. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, *manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu:* "Out of many, many millions of persons..." First of all let him become *siddha. Siddha* means perfect. Everyone is imperfect. Everyone commits mistake. This is imperfection. Everyone commits mistake, everyone becomes illusioned, everyone's sense perception are all imperfect, and everyone is a cheater. These are the deficiency of the conditioned soul. One does not know what is Kṛṣṇa, and he wants to become Kṛṣṇa: "I am God. I am Kṛṣṇa." > Mahātmā* is not in this material world. He is in the spiritual world. *Daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ. Bhajanti.* And the result is, always engaged in devotional service of Kṛṣṇa. That is *mahātmā.* So Kṛṣṇa says that it is not very easy to understand Kṛṣṇa. People understand Kṛṣṇa very easily; therefore they are called *sahajiyās.* Everything takes very easily. So *manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu . Manuṣyāṇām.* There are 400,000 species of *manuṣya—*400,000. *Catur-lakṣāṇi mānuṣāḥ. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati, kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ* [*Padma Purāṇa*]. There are statements in the *Padma Purāṇa* how many living entities, forms, are there. So out of 8,400,000 different forms and species, there are 400,000 species of *manuṣya.* So out of them, one who is born in India, he is first-class *manuṣya.* That is a fact. Unfortunately, we are missing the chance. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, *bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra* [*Cc* Ādi 9.41]. --- **[1974: Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.5.28](spoken/1974/740809sb.vrn)** > "If you come to My place, then you are no more under the laws of birth, death, old age and disease." *Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya*. That should be the aim of life. Those... There are others, who are aspiring to go to the heavenly planet or Satyaloka or Brahmaloka, but Kṛṣṇa says, *mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām. Yānti deva-vratā devān pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ, mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām*. Therefore the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that "Why we should go to the heavenly planet or Brahmaloka or any other material planet? We shall go directly to the abode of Kṛṣṇa, Goloka Vṛndāvana." That is the aim of the devotees. > Even if you become a *brāhmaṇa,* still, that is *upādhi,* designation. So although there is bondage in the *sattva-guṇa... Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ*, you can be promoted to the higher planetary systems, but that is also bondage. Kṛṣṇa says, *ābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ punar āvartino 'rjuna*. If you remain within this material world, even if you are promoted to the highest planetary system, Brahmaloka, Satyaloka, still, you have to accept the material bondage, means *janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi*. Brahmā, he also dies. Although he has got very, very long duration of life, he also dies. So Kṛṣṇa therefore recommends, *yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama :* --- **[1976: Garden Conversation](spoken/1976/760809gc.teh)** > No. Therefore you are rascal. Everything is done by somebody. --- **[1976: Room Conversation with Nandarāṇī and Ali](spoken/1976/760809r2.teh)** --- ## Letters on August 9 *Letters from this day: 15* --- **[1967: Letter to Janardana Pradyumna Sivananda](letters/1967/670809_janardana_pradyumna_sivananda)** > I am very glad to inform you that we have safely reached India on the 25th July at midnight due to a sixteen hour delay in London. --- **[1969: Letter to Bhagavan Krsna Bhamini](letters/1969/690809_bhagavan_krsna_bhamini)** > Krishna has been very kind upon you, and if you continue to engage seriously in His service, certainly He will give all facilities. It appears that Detroit has very good prospects for spreading Krishna Consciousness. Try to sell *Back To Godhead* as much as possible. --- **[1969: Letter to Gaurasundara](letters/1969/690809_gaurasundara)** > Enclosed please find one stereo tape of "Sri Krishna Caitanya Prabhu," song and purport. --- **[1971: Letter to David R. Schomaker](letters/1971/710809_david_r._schomaker)** > So far naming your child is concerned, you as her parents should give her a suitable name and you can add the prefix bhakta dasi, or servant of the devotee, as are we all. Then when she grows up and takes initiation from a bona fide spiritual master, she may be given a new name at that time. --- **[1971: Letter to Indira](letters/1971/710809_indira)** > You are doing one of the best of services by cultivating Srimati Tulasi Devi so nicely. That is a sign that you are a great devotee because Tulasi Devi thrives on devotion. --- **[1971: Letter to Vaikunthanatha Saradia](letters/1971/710809_vaikunthanatha_saradia)** > Previously I had written you one letter on 24th July, and I hope that you have received it by now. --- **[1972: Letter to Amogha](letters/1972/720809_amogha)** > Yes, that is a good idea if you want to return to Djakarta for again opening our center there, along with your wife. --- **[1972: Letter to Cyavana](letters/1972/720809_cyavana)** > Recently there has been some disturbance in Nairobi and the things are not going on at all well. --- **[1972: Letter to Tamala Krsna Bhavananda Jayapataka](letters/1972/720809_tamala_krsna_bhavananda_jayapataka)** > Some other points, you mention "bullock for transporting supply," and it has cost you Rs. And why you are paying salaries so much to engineers, there was understanding the engineers will work for nothing, only little pocket money, but not for salary. --- **[1972: Letter to Tejiyas](letters/1972/720809_tejiyas)** > I am very glad to hear that we shall be holding another Hare Krishna Festival in Delhi this year, and I am hoping that I shall also be able to attend as before. --- **[1972: Letter to Yasodanandana Gurukrpa](letters/1972/720809_yasodanandana_gurukrpa)** > This is very pleasing news to me, and I think that you will have the first-class reception in places such as Bangalore. --- **[1974: Letter to Natalie Orloff](letters/1974/740809_natalie_orloff)** > Forgetfulness of Krishna means an unhealthy state of life which is symptomized by so many problems and distresses. --- **[1974: Letter to Sukadeva](letters/1974/740809_sukadeva)** > You have mentioned that you want to write a book, but instead of writing books, you should read and explain my books to others. Reading and writing are the same, sravanam kirtanam vishnoh. --- **[1976: Letter to Catur Murti](letters/1976/760809_catur_murti)** > Your desire to please me is very pleasing and your preaching program in Spain sounds very nice. --- **[1976: Letter to Gopala Krsna](letters/1976/760809_gopala_krsna)** > Regarding Tejiyas and Delhi, I have already said that you should arrange whatever is suitable by mutual agreement. Yes, you may fix up the life member rooms by investing a little money. ---