# Morning Walk — April 14, 1974, Bombay
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**Prabhupāda:**
...find out wine and woman. That's all.
**Girirāja:**
[reading from *Kṛṣṇa* book] "While they were thus enjoying themselves..."
**Prabhupāda:**
But in America I don't think there is such thing.
**Dr. Patel:**
Because, these nightclubs and all these things is of this type.
**Prabhupāda:**
Hare Kṛṣṇa.
**Dr. Patel:**Sex, merriment. I have not seen a single nightclub, though I studied in England for two years. [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...Nārada, but still they are sinful. Such a great personality like Nārada they have seen, but still they are sinful. Go on.
**Girirāja:**
"As such, the great sage Nārada considered that because the demigods Nalakūvara and Maṇigrīva were so infatuated by false prestige, they should be put in a condition of life devoid of opulence." [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...bench, standing. The small children, they are punished, "Stand up on the bench." It is like that.
**Dr. Patel:**All vegetables are in *tamas,* in *tamas* [indistinct].
**Prabhupāda:**
No. Some of them, fruitful, those trees for supplying nice fruits, nice flowers, they are in the goodness. Everywhere the three qualities are working.
**Yaśomatīnandana:**
There may be dog in the mode of goodness?
**Prabhupāda:**
No, dog is an animal. He is in the ignorance. But the cow is in goodness. *Sattva-raja-tamo.*
**Dr. Patel:**
Horse is in *rajas.*
**Prabhupāda:**
Horse, lions. The monkey is in *tamas.*
**Dr. Patel:**
And animal is in *tamas* and *rajas...*
**Prabhupāda:**
Everything, there are three qualities, everywhere.
**Dr. Patel:**
Everywhere. But more *rajas* is in monkeys, because they are more active. These particular... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
They are researching for something which is useless. Therefore *tamas. Rajas-tamo-bhavaḥ kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye* [[sb/1/2/19|[SB. 1.2.19] ]]. This is the effect of *rajas-tamas: kāma* and *lobha,* greedy and always hankering after.
**Dr. Patel:**
But sometimes real scientists speak out the truth. [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
Don't give pain to others.
**Dr. Patel:**
**Don't give...?
**Prabhupāda:**
**Others, painful condition. If you feel pain by certain condition, that is...
**Dr. Patel:**
*Ātmavat sarva bhūteṣu.*
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes.
**Girirāja:**
"Generally it is seen that one who has risen from a poverty-stricken life and becomes wealthy creates some charitable institution at the end of his life..." [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...goes to market and gets some this... What is called, *bhūta, bhūta?*
**Dr. Patel:**
What is, *bhūta,*
**Yaśomatīnandana:**
Corns.
**Prabhupāda:**
Corns. [break]
**Dr. Patel:**
Corn, or this...
**Yaśomatīnandana:**
[indistinct]
**Dr. Patel:**
But t*hat* is why I say that *rasanā* [tongue] is not so strong as *śiṣṇa* [genital].
**Prabhupāda:**
No, if you do not allow *rasanā* to enjoy much, *śiṣṇa* will be subdued.
**Dr. Patel:**
But still, I mean personally, for myself, I don't have any taste for any food. In fact I have been taking all the food together just like the *sannyāsīs,* and I don't have any taste. But still I have from within me I don't find that form of sex carrying out, though I am a scientist.
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes. Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to say that "Sex life is so strong that even if I see one wooden female form I become excited."
**Dr. Patel:**
That is why I feel the same thing.
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes. So this is not unnatural. Caitanya Mahāprabhu tells this because this cannot be avoided. But by knowledge it can be avoided.
**Dr. Patel:**
We were talking the same thing.
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes, by knowledge. Yes. But "Because I am excited, therefore I have to do this," that is not good.
**Dr. Patel:**
But then I found out the solution for this. As soon as you feel excitement... [break] Then you have nothing to do with it.
**Prabhupāda:**
Therefore knowledge.
**Dr. Patel:**
Yes. That I have started practicing this for some time. And I feel a great solace in that.
**Prabhupāda:**
That has been recommended by Śaṅkarācārya, that "Why you are attracted by these forms? It is only a combination of flesh and marrow. That's all."
**Dr. Patel:**
No, but who is attracted? The *indriya* is attracted. I am beyond *indriya.* That also you think. I am master of the *indriya.* [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
So long we are associated... The example I have given many times, that I am sitting on a car, and the car there is accident. I am not car. Still, I am excited, "Oh, my car is lost. Why you have struck my car?" There is so much quarrel. But it is a fact, he knows that "I am not the car." That is called *abhiniveśa.*
**Dr. Patel:**
Wrong orientation.
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes. [break] Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says, *matṛvat para-dareṣu:* "Always think of other's wife as mother."
**Dr. Patel:**
*Mātṛvat...*
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes. [break] ...also have to die.
**Dr. Patel:**
We die, don't mind, but we want others to die as Muslims. We want to die them as Hindus. [break] ...supersonic soundness.
**Prabhupāda:**
Supersonic? What is that? Any circumstance, the ruling power is nature. He cannot avoid that. *Daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī mama māyā duratyayā* [[bg/7/14|[Bg. 7.14] ]]. [break] ...more their senses are turbulent. This is also... Therefore there is one *tapasā brahmacāryena* [[sb/6/1/13|[SB. 6.1.13] ]], and the word *anaśana, anaśana,* "not eating." Eating should be reduced.
**Dr. Patel:**
*Tapasā brahmacāryena damena...* [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...*yamena, damena.* There are so many. Out of that, there is one, *anaśana, anaśana,* not eating.
**Dr. Patel:**
*A*naśana. Ana-asana.*
**Prabhupāda:**
**Yes. [break]
**Girirāja:**
"...not very turbulent, he cannot become violent." [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...*yuktāhāra.* Not to eat more, not to eat less. That is required.
[break] ...yes, when I was alone in Baroda, I was making my customers for *Back to Godhead.* So I entered one gentleman's house, and from the porch he was, "Don't come! Don't come! Don't come!" [laughs] Immediately.
**Dr. Patel:**Baroda was a very small place then. [indistinct] place. [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...if I go to a place, *jataji bhikṣā dijiye,* so everyone will be compassionate. And it is our duty, at least in Vedic civilization, that when a *sannyāsī* comes he is received: "*Aiye, aiye, Mahārāja, betiye."* Still. Still in the villages they do that. Just like it is mentioned in the *śāstra* that *brahmacārī* and *sannyāsīs* should be taken as the sons of the society.
**Dr. Patel:**
In Poona, even today in Poona... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
They are trained like that, very good. [break] It is compulsory that every man should become a mendicant for some time.
**Indian man (1):**
They must have experience of that. [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...there is a temple, Tarakeśvara, in Hoogli district. So Lord Śiva... So people, I mean to say, pray that "If my this disease is cured" or "If I get this victory, I shall become a *sannyāsī* for a month." [laughs] So that system is going on. They become *sannyāsīs* for one month. There are hundreds and thousands.
**Dr. Patel:**
They, according to our Hindu... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
This is called "one-month *sannyāsī.*" That is not mentioned in the *śāstra,* but it has come into custom.
**Dr. Patel:**
**Custom. But according to *śāstra...* [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
**...and if he returns, he is called *vāntāśī,* yes, "eating the vomit."
**Indian man (1):**
Before giving *sannyāsa,* the teacher will take proper care that his mind is already peaceful and all... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...obeisances, we take out our shoes. That is a system.
**Indian man (1):**
Even the hat...
**Prabhupāda:**
Hat, yes. [break] ...naked is not civilization. It is not civilization.
**Dr. Patel:**
That means practice *tapas* right from the beginning of your days... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
The body is changed.
**Dr. Patel:**
It's not *icchā-dveṣa samutthena dvandva-mohena* [[bg/7/27|[Bg. 7.27] ]]? [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
That past life, because the body is changed, you forget.
**Dr. Patel:**
Some of the people also...
**Prabhupāda:**
Some of the...
**Dr. Patel:**
I don't know how it is. It is difficult to explain.
**Prabhupāda:**
That is special. That is special.
**Dr. Patel:**
There is a big research going on in the parapsychology here in India and America.
**Prabhupāda:**
No, it is by the grace of God one can remember about his past life.
[break] ...practical experience. In our family, my mother's eldest sister, her son of a previous birth came to see her. Old man, very old man.
[break] This is called illusion.
**Dr. Patel:**
All relations of the son, child, wife, husband, all these are of the... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...just like in the river sometimes several straws will meet together...
**Dr. Patel:**
[*indistinct* Sanskrit]
**Prabhupāda:**
**...and again they disperse. [break] We get our body and mix together, and again we are dispersed by the waves of time. [break] ...at the end we shall see Kṛṣṇa. [break]
**Girirāja:**
" '...the original Personality of Godhead, master of all mystic powers, learned *brāhmaṇas* know very well that this cosmic manifestation is an expansion of Your potency.' " [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
...and Nalakūvara, but He remained bound up.
**Indian man (1):**
About His *līlā?*
**Prabhupāda:**
Yes. [break] Yaśodāmāyī is more powerful than Kṛṣṇa. Eh?
**Indian man (1):**
No, devotees are more powerful always.
**Prabhupāda:**
[laughing] Just see. He liberated Nalakūvara, but He remained bound up by the rope of Yaśodāmāyī. [break] ...children. [break] ...some conjugal love.
**Dr. Patel:**
Then He became eight years old. How could any *gopī* have a conjugal love with a boy of seven or eight years?
**Indian man (1):**
Spiritual love.
**Prabhupāda:**
That is not this love. That is a different love.
**Dr. Patel:**
Conjugal love is *mādhurya-rāsa.*
**Prabhupāda:**
*Mādhurya-rāsa,* yes... [break] ...eat along with my father. Yes. Unless I come, father will not...
**Dr. Patel:**
But you were brought up in a big city, but I was brought up in a small village. Actually... [break]
**Prabhupāda:**
The same. It doesn't matter whether it is in the village or town.
**Dr. Patel:**
In the villages we eat more. We used to buy* [Hindi]... [break] [end]