# Parikramā on the Way to Gokula — November 28, 1971, Vṛndāvana <audio controls preload="metadata" src="https://media.prabhupada.io/audio/1971/711128PK-VRNDAVAN.mp3"></audio> [in bus, arriving *Nanda-grāma*; *kīrtana* outside] **Devotees:** Śrīla Prabhupāda *kī jaya*! Śrīla Prabhupāda *kī jaya*! Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...take the *karatāls*. [break] [on the walk] [04:07] **Devotee:** ...is that behind us? **Prabhupāda:** Nanda, Nanda Mahārāja left Gokula and came here because the demons were disturbing Kṛṣṇa. They decided to change. **Passerby:** *Rādheśyāma Bābā.* **Prabhupāda:** Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break] [*kīrtana*] [break] [a *vrajavāsī* explains something about the temple in Hindi] **Vrajavāsī:* [Transl. Go forward. Go more forward. Śrī Rādhe! This Deity with big turban is Nandabābā. And this big one is Yaśodāmaiya. And in the middle of Them the two brothers Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma. The younger brother Kṛṣṇa is next to Yaśodāmaiya, and the elder brother Balarāma is next to Nandabābā. And in this corner is Rādhārāṇī. And in that corner are Bhagavān's two friends Dhansukha and Mansukha. Nandabābā, Yaśodāmaiya, and the two brothers Kṛṣṇa-Baladeva.] Vrajavāsī (2): [Transl. Don't take photo, brothers.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Do not take photos, brothers. And Rādhārāṇī, Dhansukha and Mansukha—this is the *darśana* of the whole family.] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did he say, Śrīla Prabhupāda? **Prabhupāda:** [to*vrajavāsī*]You explain in English. Explain in English. **Vrajavāsī:** Nanda Mahārāja *ki jaya*! Yaśodā-māyi *ki jai*! **Prabhupāda:** Explain in English! Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Explain in English what he said. **Vrajavāsī:** About the Deity? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When the curtain opens? **Vrajavāsī:** *Ha*. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah, Prabhupāda. What is the name of this temple? Nanda-grāma? **Prabhupāda:** [to*vrajavāsī*]You cannot explain? You can explain what he has said? **Vrajavāsī:** I will explain. When the curtain opens, I will explain. **Prabhupāda:** *Ha.* **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. All of you sit down. Sit down here.] **Vrajavāsīs:** Jaya Śrī Rādhe! Kṛṣṇa Baladeva *ki jaya*! Kṛṣṇa Baladeva *ki jaya*! Vṛndāvana Biharīlāl *ki jaya*! [curtain opens: obeisances] **Vrajavāsī:** The statue, this one, with the turban, that is the statue of Nanda Mahārāja. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nanda Bābā. **Vrajavāsī:** Nanda Bābā. And on this side in yellow *sārī,* that is Yaśodā Mātā, you see? And in between Yaśodā Mātā and Nanda Bābā there are Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma, both brothers. Kṛṣṇa is on the side of Yaśodā Mātā, and Balarāma is on the side of Nanda Bābā. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Younger brother. **Vrajavāsī:** And in that corner on the left-hand side you see Rādhārāṇī, there in that corner. And in the extreme right, there are these two, they are friends of Lord Kṛṣṇa—Dhansukha and Mansukha. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kṛṣṇa's childhood. Vrajavāsī (2): Dhansukha, Mansukha *ki jaya*! **Prabhupāda:** [to Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:]You place one rupee here. [Transl.Throw it here?] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.No, put it here.] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now he gives *prasāda*? **Prabhupāda:** Distribute this *prasādam* to all. [Transl.What are these?] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. *Laddu prasāda.* Made from pure local cow ghee.] Vrajavāsī (2):* [Transl. -loudly- If anyone wants to offer any more donations please come forward. Give them Paṇḍāji. Give some to Maharājajī. Give to Mahārāja.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.Just a second.] Vrajavāsī (2): [Transl.Mahārāja will distribute.] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So fortunate. **Vrajavāsī:** Certificate. Put it there. Vrajavāsī (2): [Transl.Keep visiting the temple.] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm just taking a little? [breaks] Everybody got *prasāda*? [much Hindi and obeisances in background] [breaks] **Prabhupāda:** ...doing these same things. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah. **Prabhupāda:** [*kīrtana* in background; [Transl. Why don't you tell them?] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. I already told them. This is their habit. What can I do?] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl.Give him one rupee. Everything will be all right.] [break] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Dīnanātha and Pitāmbhara, they are still coming. Dīnanātha and Pitāmbhara. [break] **Prabhupāda:** They have not come? It will be late. Why they did not come? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They did not ask my permission. They just went. One man got his shoes. He had to go back to get his shoes. **Prabhupāda:** Oh, he'll go back there? **Vrajavāsī:** He went after him. He will be returning in a few miniutes. [break] **Prabhupāda:** Not possible to see the Deity there. **Devotee:** What time do they close the Deity? **Prabhupāda:** Yes.Eleven. **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.Are you going to that side by the way? Blow horn loudly please.] [Hindi background conversation] [loud car horn sounding] [Transl. Please come on sir. Come on.] **Prabhupāda:** This old man should not be allowed. He cannot walk. [break] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Please come quickly, Mahārāja. You come in from this side.] [break] **Prabhupāda:** Come on, come on. Now let us go. **Devotee:** Deity closes in another ten minutes. [bus starts; Prabhupāda leaves in bus; obeisances] Vrajavāsīs & Devotees: Śrīla Prabhupāda *ki jaya*! Nanda Mahārāja *ki jaya*! Vṛndāvana Biharīlāl *ki jaya!* [break] [in Barṣāṇa; Hindi conversations] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. We have to climb up 200 steps.] Shall we bring a chair for you? **Prabhupāda:** [Transl.200 steps?] **Indian:** [Transl. There is *tāṅgā*: [horse-cart] available.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Svāmījī, there is palanquin. That is better for you. You go little forward you will find it.] **Indian:** [Transl. What about a ricksaw from here?] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. A palanquin or a basket would be fine.] Śyāmasundara: What is the history of this place, Śrīla Prabhupāda? **Prabhupāda:** This is Rādhārāṇī's father's place. Śyāmasundara: Ah. [break] [*kīrtana*] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupada, have you ever gone to this temple? [break] Dr. Kapoor: And Her marriage was near about, Nanda-grāma. **Prabhupāda:** That's far away. Local panda: [Transl.Should I take you for *darśana*? Let others come later.] **Prabhupāda:* [Transl. Will go just now.] [break] **Prabhupāda:** He will take us to [indistinct]. Śyāmasundara: Our guide. Where is our guide? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is happening now? [break] **Prabhupāda:** ...not available; then you can go. I can sit down here. My first time. Where is that guide? Where is that man? Śyāmasundara: They say he went to get the palanquin. He is coming down. [break] **Indian:** [Transl. There he comes. He is coming.] [break] [in another temple location; *kīrtana*] **Devotee:** Okay. Wait a minute. Stop. **Prabhupāda:** Make it here. I can walk. **Devotee:** Okay. Stop here. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Down. Down, down, down. **Devotees:** *Jaya.* All glories to Prabhupāda! **Prabhupāda:** *Jaya!* Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's this way, I think. It's a little wet here, Prabhupāda. **Devotees:** Jaya! All glories to your divine grace. Śrīla Prabhupāda *ki jaya*! [obeisances] [background conversation between devotees] [*kīrtana*] [break] **Prabhupāda:** Give him one rupee. **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Give something for Rādhārāṇī's *bhoga*.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. We gave. Two, three rupees we gave.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. One for there one for here. If you give to Rādhā your life will be successful.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl.Now give us *prasāda*.] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right, just... [break] One rupee? One rupee. **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Take one more my boy.] **Prabhupāda:** Now let us go. **Devotee:** *Prasāda.* Let us go. Dr. Kapoor: The guide was telling Prabhupāda that we can go upstairs also. **Prabhupāda:* [Transl. What is there upstairs?] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl.From upstairs you can view the whole area around.] [break] [background conversation among devotees] [break] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Give us some donations, please Bābā.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Give five rupees.] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Please Bābā, eleven rupees.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. No, five.] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Eleven please. Ok. As you like.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Do not fight.] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. No fighting. How you are speaking? Being an educated person you are...] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. How much should we give him?] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. That's what I am asking? Yes, brother, how much you want?] Vrajavāsīs (2): [Transl. When they go down they can give.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. No, this man brought us upstairs. And why you are taking the empty one back?] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. You brought him up, no?] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Yes.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Tell how much you want?] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. After he goes down I will tell.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Tell now for both. Finish the problem.] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Total give me five and half rupees.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. We will give you two rupees only.] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Then palanquin will not go. Give three rupees. I am working hard and I should get that much.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. What do you want?] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. He will take at least three or four rupees. After all he is also serving. All right let him...] **Devotee:** ...if they get hold of the tape recorder, they'll steal it. [break] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. This is Jaipur House?] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl.The Mahārāja of Jaipur had built it.] [indistinct discussion among devotees.] [*kīrtana—Govindam* prayers] **Prabhupāda:** *Jaya.* Dr. Kapoor: She's gone to Rādhā's village. That's why. But... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's closed. **Devotee:** Open it up. Dr. Kapoor:** [Transl.What time will it open, *paṇḍitjī*?] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl.4 o clock.] [discussion about opening Deity doors] Devotee (2): It's too late. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Maybe they won't open them. **Prabhupāda:** Not very important. *Jaya.* Paṇḍitjī: [Transl. You can do *parikramā*.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. We can do *parikramā*. Can't we have *darśana* now?] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl. No. The Deities are taking rest.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. That's all right.] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, Gargamuni says there are very beautiful paintings inside. Do you want to see them? On the walls. **Prabhupāda:** On the wall? I don't... If you like, you can see. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No... **Prabhupāda:** We can go and see. Come, I shall sit down. Go and see. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah, well if... Dr. Kapoor: Four o'clock... **Prabhupāda:** No, no. Not four o'clock. There are some paintings he wants to see... [Hindi] All right, Śrīla dāsī. *Parikramā.* Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We've come so far, we should see something. [background conversation] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl.No leather allowed.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl.No leather. This is rexin. We don't have leather with us.] Paṇḍitjī: [checks] **Devotee:** That's *Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam*. **Prabhupāda:** Nice building. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Can I build such a building in New York? **Prabhupāda:** You can build, but it will be very expensive. Indian devotee: All stone, Prabhupāda. Over a century. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, many of these things seem to be the way you describe for Māyāpur temple. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. We have got our plan in this way. Inside, we have got our plan like this. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah. **Nara-Nārāyaṇa**: Twice as high, and three times wider. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ah.This seems to be the kind of siding that you describe, Prabhupāda. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This grating. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Paṇḍitjī:** [Transl.Everyone come here after *darśana* and take *caraṇāmrta*.] [background conversation] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything is impermanent. **Devotee:** That's what Prabhupāda says. [various people describing what they are seeing in the paintings] Paṇḍitjī: [explaining the paintings] [Transl.This is childhood pastime. This is *Kāliya-damana* pastimes when Bhagavān chastised Kāliyā. That is *udūkhala* pastimes when Kṛṣṇa was bound to a wooden grinding mortar. This is when Bhagavān lifted the Govardhana hill. And this *mahātma* lives here and does *bhajana*. Great saint.] **Prabhupāda:* [Transl.Give him one rupee.] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl. Never asks anything from anyone.] [break] [Prabhupāda coughing] **Prabhupāda:** Can you give me a little water? **Devotee:** Water. Indian man: [Transl.Water. Water.] [people go to get water; Hindi discussion] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. No. I don't need a glass.] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl. Do you want a glass, Bābā?] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Where is glass?] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl.Hey, bring get a glass.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl.No, this is enough.] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl. The water here is very sweet.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl.We may need more water.] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl. Take as much as you want.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. That's all. That's all. No. Not more.] **Devotee:** Too much water here. Devotee (2): Too much water. **Prabhupāda:** Keep it. **Devotee:** [indistinct] keep it. [break] Paṇḍitjī: [Transl.All this is *Gaṅgājala*.] **Devotee:** Sarasvatī keep it. [break] [Paṇḍitjī chants some blessing *mantras*] Vrajavāsī lady: Jaya ho! Hari bol! **Prabhupāda:** Let us go. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Let us go. [break] [in different location; *kīrtana*] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is beautiful here. Look at the paintings. Rādhārāṇī was born here? **Prabhupāda:** Rādhārāṇī was born there. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And Kṛṣṇa was born in... He was raised in Nanda-grāma. **Prabhupāda:** Gokula. We shall go tomorrow. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kṛṣṇa, He lived inNanda-grāma? **Prabhupāda:** Hah? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He lived in Nanda-grāma when He was young? **Prabhupāda:** Yes, when there was too much disturbance of the demons, Nanda Mahārāja's elder brother decided that "We cannot live here. Let us leave this place." He has given that picture, and there is a cart, a bullock cart. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then they moved to Vṛndāvana? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Devotee:** Prabhupāda? And Vasudeva took Kṛṣṇa across the Yamunā all the way up to this hill up here? **Prabhupāda:** Yes, yes. **Devotee:** Very long walk. **Prabhupāda:** Not here; on the other side. **Devotee:** On the other hill. **Prabhupāda:** Gokula. And when He was three, four years old, then He was brought to Nanda-grāma. [break] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...place to live is the highest spot. That is the nicest place? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. The whole world may be inundated. [break] Royal palaces were made on the hills. Not only... [aside:] Be careful; you are going... [break] Himalaya it is like this. Thousands of miles—stone, stone, stone. I have traveled from Jammu to Kashmir by bus. And hundreds and thousands of miles, only stone like this. **Devotee:** They put. They put it there. **Prabhupāda:** Don't go there. Why you are going by that path? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupada?Govardhana is stone? **Prabhupāda:** Yes, one thousand stones. [break] To ride on this palanquin is very comfortable, [laughter] at the cost of others. [laughs] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We should construct one, Prabhupāda, for the remainder of the trip. **Prabhupāda:** It is better than any other vehicle. Formerly, kings were being carried by palanquin. They did not like carriage. Carriage... Palanquin was transformed to carriage first in England—palanquin-carriage, drawn by horse. [break] How much fine work in marble stone. **Indian:** [Transl.This is Rādhārāṇī's place. Birth place.] **Prabhupāda:** This is the spot... **Devotee:** This is the spot? **Prabhupāda:** ...where Rādhārāṇī was born. **Devotees:** Oh, wow. Right there? **Prabhupāda:** Rādhāṣṭamī. Fifteen days younger than Kṛṣṇa. [break] [at another location] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Bābā, we are not beggars. We are *pūjārīs* of Śrījī. We are not beggars. We are asking only from you and not from anyone else! Cow dung, they use for fuel.] Cow dung, they use for fuel. **Devotee:** They dry it for chips? **Prabhupāda:** Yes... No, they dry it for using as fuel. **Devotee:** Yes.It has a very, very nice fragrance. **Prabhupāda:** Mm. [break] Cow, anything of cow is useful: urine, dung, everything. Skin, hoof, horn, milk—everything. [break] Small pieces. **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.Bābā, give to *vrajavāsīs*.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. We gave to the *vrajavāsīs*.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.I was not up there in the temple. I am a *vrajavāsī*. I sit here only. If everyone takes it all...] **Prabhupāda:* [Transl. There, we gave to the *vrajavāsīs* already.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Here we haven't got anything. Here the *vrajavāsīs*...] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. There, they said they will distribute to everybody.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. They are different and we are different.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl.We gave already.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.We are from Vṛṣabhānu's place. Up there they are different. Give something for the Vṛṣabhānu's *vrajavāsīs*. Where did you give? At least give something to the sweeper.] **Prabhupāda:* [Transl.Yes, give to the sweeper. We gave to the *vrajavāsīs* already there.] **Indian:** [Transl. I want to ask you that would you like go back to the bus or rest a while here?] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Go to the bus.] [break] **Devotee:** Take it. Take it. [break] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Mahārājajī, give us ten rupees. We didn't get. We are many. Hari bol! Please give us.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. How much did you get?] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl.Four rupees.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. He gave you four rupees.] [break] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Jaya Śrī Kṛṣṇa! We want your blessings. May all of become become blessed.] **Prabhupāda:** ...one rupee. Give me one rupee. [leaves in bus] **Devotee:** Yes, it's true. Vṛndāvana is like everywhere, because it's been like this all my life, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. I didn't get anything.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. What can I do if you haven't got it? We gave for everyone.] **Indian:** [Transl. Is everyone in?] **Prabhupāda:** Distribute one thousand rupees, still... This is the position of pilgrimage. [break] Dr. Kapoor: Prabhupāda, shall you take the *prasādam* before or after? **Indian:* [Transl. What about bathing?] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Bathing arrangement is in Govardhana, Mānasī gaṅgā.] **Prabhupāda:** [to bus driver:] [Transl.Call your man.] **Driver:** [Transl.Your man is gone.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Is everyone in or not?] **Driver:** [Transl. He is not here now.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl.Where did he go?] **Driver:** [Transl. He has gone to the market.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. What is he doing in the market?] [break] **Devotee:** There's that man. [break] **Prabhupāda:** Why they are there? **Devotee:** Devahuti mātājī is here. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She's just getting on now, taking... I don't know why she took so long. **Prabhupāda:** Why you are taking so much time? Sit down, sit down. [Transl. Let us go. Whoever is left out let him remain.] [break] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: [in bus] That old man is there, that old man at the Dāmodara. **Prabhupāda:** Why that old man gets down? Huh? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The old man should stay here now. **Prabhupāda:** No, we cannot. [break] ...never come to these places, only for business. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I see. **Prabhupāda:** I know. Only bothering. Only bothering. **Devotee:** In this way Vṛndāvana is everywhere. This has been like it all my life. [break] **Prabhupāda:** ...Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura has said, *tīrtha yātrā pariśrama sakali manera bhrama*. [*Prem-bhakti-candrikā* 3.5] *Tīrtha* *yātrā*, to go to the pilgrimage, that is simply laboring. *Manera bhrama*. Mistake of the mind. He did not like to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa at a place. **Devotee:** Is Rādhākuṇḍa like this also? [break] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. It would be better if Rādhākuṇḍa was first.] **Indian:** [Transl. First Govardhana will come then Rādhā-kuṇḍ.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. All right let us go to Govardhana first.] **Indian:** [Transl. Where should the devotees take their bath, in Rādhā-kuṇḍa or Mānasī-gaṅgā in Govardhana?] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Can they take bath in Govardhana?] **Indian:** [Transl. As you order. If you want in Radha-kuṇḍa then that can be arranged.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. In that case we have to go to Rādhā-kuṇḍa first.] **Indian:** [Transl. Two or three minutes only. The vehicle will go. Two or three minutes distance from Rādhā-kuṇḍa to Govardhana. So let us go to Rādhā-kuṇḍa first.] Śyāmasundara: Is that Govardhana Hill right there? **Devotee:** It's small. Śyāmasundara: That's Govardhana Hill right there? It's so small! There's Govardhana Hill! **Devotee:** The cows are still taking shelter. [arrival at Kusuma-Sarovara—Hindi greetings] **Prabhupāda:** [to devotee:] You are taking a bath? **Devotee:** In the morning. Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I took mine at three o'clock. **Indian:** [Transl. Will you take a bath?] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. I have to take bath. Where should we take bath?] **Indian:** [Transl. At Mānasī-gaṅgā, Mahārāja. All tanks are there.] **Prabhupāda:** That's all right. [break] [background discussion in Hindi] **Prabhupāda:** I may not take bath. **Devotee:** I'll ask, Prabhupāda. There should be no inconvenience. **Indian:** He says Prabhupāda will take bath here. But this place is... **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. They are not from Gauḍīya Maṭha. Not from Gauḍīya Maṭha. They are followers of Śyāmābāi. Come here and do some *ācamana*.] **Indian:** [Transl. How harsh they speak. Just can't speak sweet words.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. I have got a *loṭa*.] **Vrajavasi:** [Transl. Call your other devotees.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. They won't bathe here.] You can take a bath if you like. I shall stay here. [background discussion among devotees about bathing] **Devotee:** There is a palace there. **Prabhupāda:** What is that? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Said something about that we should take bath here.Ifwe don't want to take bath, where shall we stay? **Prabhupāda:** Somebody may remain here and some can go. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll stay here. **Prabhupāda:** He will stay, and others can see. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I've seen it before. **Prabhupāda:** You have seen. **Devotee:** I have seen also. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is happening? Is there someone who would take us? **Indian:** Yes, he is going. Our guide will come with us. [more discussion among devotees] **Prabhupāda:** Where is that palace?] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think everyone's a bit tired. **Prabhupāda:** Let them take rest, **Devotee:** Take *prasādam* and rest. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Devotee:** Is that Rādhākuṇḍa? No. **Prabhupāda:** No, Rādhākuṇḍa is far away. **Devotee:** Coming. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now we can see the value of hearing about the holy places. Visually is nice, but hearing—perfect. **Prabhupāda:* [Transl. You sit down here.] So, somebody may come with me. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rohiṇī. Rohiṇī. **Prabhupāda:** You take this water; let us go. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We'll stay here. [break] [*kīrtana*] **Prabhupāda:** Who is keeping money? One rupee. **Devotee:** Someone have a rupee?Just one?One rupee here, and one here. **Vrajavāsīs:* [Transl. Svāmī Mahārāja is here. Offer flowers. Should I bring some sweets for Mahārāja?] **Prabhupāda:** Give one rupee. **Devotee:** One rupee. Viśāla? Śyāmasundara: What are these places, Prabhupāda? What are these temples? Anything special? [break] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. We are fifteen people.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Who is the head?] **Prabhupāda:** Give him four, five rupees. [break] **Vrajavāsīs:** [Transl. Everyone will get then. All are *brāhmaṇas*. Ten rupees will be sufficient.] **Prabhupāda:* [Transl. If you speak unreasonable you won't get any money.] **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. Whatever Bābā has ordered is final.] [break] Śyāmasundara: Viśāla? Five rupees. It's all right. [break] **Prabhupāda:** Raghunātha Dāsa Gosvāmī... **Vrajavāsī:** [Transl. I am a *vrajavāsī*.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Go to the vrajavāsīs.] **Devotee:** ...I mean these kuṇḍas, Rādhā-kuṇḍa and Śyāma-kuṇḍa. What is the history of this? **Vrajavasi:** [Transl. Mahārāja, this is Kavirāja Gosvāmī's *bhajana-kutīra* and Dāsa Gosvāmī's *bhajana* *kutīra*.] [break] [*kīrtana*] [break] Śyāmasundara: ...Śyāmakuṇḍa and Rādhākuṇḍa—what is that? **Prabhupāda:** Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī, They would take bath. Śyāmasundara: Ah. **Prabhupāda:** And meet. Śyāmasundara: Ah. Devotee (2): This bathing *ghat*? [break] **Devotee:** ...Śyāmakuṇḍa, together? **Prabhupāda:** Because Rādhākuṇḍa was discovered by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. [break] Śyāmasundara: What is tomorrow morning's program? [background discussion among devotees about Ekādaśī and engagements] [break] **Mātājī:** Hare Kṛṣṇa! Tomorrow is Ekādaśī. Tamala Kṛṣṇa: She has invited Prabhupāda and he has accepted it. Jatiya house. **Prabhupāda:** ...Connaught place, long ago. So he asked me, "Swāmījī, why you have selected Vṛndāvana as your headquarter?" Dr. Kapoor: Hmm. [laughs] It should be Bombay or Calcutta. **Prabhupāda:** No, he had some this bad experience of Vṛndāvana. Dr. Kapoor: Ah. I see. **Indian:** Gokula, Dauji. [break] **Prabhupāda:** [in bus] ...living condition is not that. In Western country, especially America, is going on. Dr. Kapoor: Yes. It is the most affluent country. The problem there now is affluence, not poverty. They don't know what to do with their money. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Here there is no money. And there is so ample money, they do not know how to use it. Dr. Kapoor: Affluence has its own problems. Perhaps more problems than poverty. [laughs] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. When a man gets too much money he becomes worried about how to use it.] [laughs] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. It becomes more problem.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. That is also another problem.] Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Like in India many people are worried about keeping and investing their black money.] **Prabhupāda:** [Transl. Black money is everywhere.] [break] [end]