# The Science of God **Duration:** 31:40 <div class="video-container" style="position: relative; padding-bottom: 56.25%; height: 0; overflow: hidden; max-width: 100%;"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6b-BMxsIpBg" style="position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%; pointer-events: auto; z-index: 10;" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div> [Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-BMxsIpBg) --- ## Transcript **[02:15]** Hallowed be thy name, my Lord Krishna, the Personality of Godhead. **[02:23]** Let your holy name be glorified. This is our movement. **[02:29]** It is not a sectarian, it is a very scientific movement. **[02:35]** Scientific movement because at the present moment, we are all Godless. **[02:42]** Forgotten what is God, and what to speak of His name. They do not believe in God, **[02:50]** and what to speak of His name, fame, His place, His activities, His form, His qualities, **[02:58]** how we can know? There is no educational system about the science of God. **[03:08]** This movement, Krsna Consciousness movement, is teaching the science of God. **[03:16]** God is absolute. Absolute means there is no difference. **[03:29]** Just like, in the relative world, this is relative world. **[03:35]** Material world means relative world. Relative world means the son. **[03:43]** As soon as I say the son, there must be a father. As soon as I say friend, **[03:52]** there must be another man, friend. As soon as I say water, there must be something as water. **[04:02]** But in the absolute world, the name "water" and the water is the same. **[04:10]** This is called 'absolute.' No different separation. **[04:17]** So in the Kingdom of God, God is God, and His son is also God. **[04:27]** So, by chanting Hare Krishna, you are directly in contact with God. **[04:36]** This is the meaning of Hare Krishna. **[04:39]** We think we are enjoying, but we are suffering, actually. **[04:43]** And because we cannot understand what is suffering, suffering there is. **[04:49]** Sometimes you come to understand, but we are accepting this suffering as enjoyment. **[04:56]** A man is working very hard, very hard, whole day. This is not enjoyment. **[05:08]** You have got a car. You are running at 70 miles speed, going to your business, **[05:17]** and there you are earning a hundred and thousands of dollars, **[05:20]** so you are thinking that you are enjoying, but this labor is suffering, you forget. **[05:28]** And in order to forget this suffering, then I take to wine, take to this, take to that, **[05:35]** to forget this suffering. So actually we are suffering, but we are accepting it as enjoying. **[05:41]** This is called illusion. **[05:42]** Anyone who is very much sensuous, very much attached to sense gratification, they are called demons. **[05:51]** And those persons who do not indulge in sense gratification but utilize **[06:02]** this body, this life, for God realization, Krishna realization, they're called gods. **[06:09]** There are two classes of men, demons, and gods. **[06:14]** Those who are engaged in God consciousness, they are not God, but godly. **[06:20]** And those who are not…because this human life is meant for this purpose, **[06:26]** are forgetting our father, forgetting our God. **[06:29]** We are criminals within this material world. Therefore, our only business, **[06:37]** is how to get out of this prison house, and go back to home, back to Godhead. **[06:43]** God is like you and me, a person. But He's pacific ocean, we are drop, that's all. **[06:52]** The question was in Srimad Bhagavatam, which is a scripture that we study, **[06:56]** it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. **[07:01]** The question is, if Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here? **[07:06]** Yes. You forced Krishna to allow you to come. **[07:11]** Just like sometimes a child forces the father. Father says, **[07:18]** "My dear son, do not do this, do not go there." But he insists, "Well, I must go, I must go." **[07:24]** "Alright, you go, at your risk." **[07:26]** That's all, and you suffer, what can be done? **[07:33]** Because you are son of God, God has got independence, full independence, almighty. **[07:42]** Therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. **[07:49]** God does not interfere with your little independence. **[07:54]** Beginning from Lord Brahma down to the worms in the stool, gradually, **[08:03]** according to your work, according to your desire, you manufacture your different types of body. **[08:09]** And enjoy and suffer, that's all. **[09:28]** Indriya means senses, we cannot understand what is Krishna, or God. His name, **[09:40]** His form, His attributes, His pastimes, we cannot understand by these blunt material senses. **[09:49]** Then how it is to be understood? After all, this human life is meant for understanding God. **[09:58]** That is the only business of human life. **[10:02]** The nature, material nature, gives us this opportunity to have this human form of life. **[10:16]** The facility of this life, of this form of life, is given to us just to understand God. **[10:30]** Other forms of life, cats and dogs, trees, and so many other things. There are 8,400,000 forms **[10:42]** of life. So in other forms of life it is not possible to understand what is God. **[10:51]** If we call all the dogs of your country, "come here, we shall talk about God." **[11:03]** But there is no possibility of understanding. But in the human form of life, **[11:10]** there is possibility. Doesn't matter whether it is in India or America or Australia. **[11:19]** Any human being, if he tries, and if he reads the scriptures: never mind, Bible, **[11:32]** Bhagavad-Gita, Bhagavatam, then he will understand God. **[11:36]** The beginning of the Srimad Bhagavatam. Absolute truth is that. **[11:46]** from whom everything has come into existence. Now, what is the nature of the absolute truth? **[11:55]** Everything means there are two things. Matter and spirit. Two things. **[12:05]** Just like this table is matter. We, living entities, we are spirit. We are spirit soul. **[12:20]** This material body is my covering. Just like dress. Everyone of us is dressed. **[12:30]** Covered by some kind of dress. Similarly, all living beings, they are dressed by the material covering. **[12:42]** So we, the spirit soul, part and parcel of God. **[12:48]** At the present moment, we are covered by two kinds of dresses. **[12:54]** Subtle dress: mind, intelligence, and ego, and the gross covering. **[13:02]** Subtle means we know there is this thing but we cannot see. **[13:09]** Just like you know I have got mind and I know you have got mind, **[13:14]** but I don't see your mind and you don't see my mind. **[13:16]** I know you have got intelligence, and you know I have got intelligence, **[13:22]** but we don't see what is that intelligence. Similarly, identification. **[13:30]** I am this consciousness. Then also you have got consciousness, I have got consciousness. **[13:37]** But we don't see. So things which are not visible to these material eyes, that is called subtle. **[13:48]** The spirit soul is still subtle. **[13:53]** So, human life is meant for understanding that spirit soul and the Supreme Soul. **[14:06]** In Krishna Consciousness, the process is to get beyond the disease of material existence. **[14:16]** The first part of his question, how to do this, second part of his question, **[14:21]** what is the end result after taking to this process. **[14:24]** The process is to transfer yourself from material energy to spiritual energy. **[14:36]** We are under energy. God has got two energies. Material energy and spiritual energy. **[14:47]** We are also energy. We are marginal energy. So, marginal energy means we can **[14:59]** remain under material energy or on the spiritual energy. **[15:03]** As we make our choice, marginal, just like on the beach you find sometimes on the border **[15:16]** of the water, the water is covering the land and sometimes the land is open. **[15:23]** This is called marginal position. Similarly, we are marginal energy of God. **[15:34]** Living entities. So we can remain under the water means material energy, **[15:42]** or we can remain open also, on spiritual energy. **[15:48]** What is our view of Lord Jesus Christ? **[15:54]** Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ? He's son of God. The best son of God. **[16:00]** So we have all respect for him. Yes. **[16:04]** Saint Francis, the founder of this particular order which we have been invited to speak to, **[16:17]** found God in the material world, and used to address the aspects of the material world as **[16:24]** brother and sister. Brother tree, sister water, like that. What is your view upon this? **[16:31]** Real God consciousness. It is real God consciousness. **[16:36]** Not that I am God conscious, and I kill the animals. That is not God consciousness. **[16:46]** To accept the trees, plants, lower animals, insignificant ants even, as brother. **[17:03]** This is explained in the Bhagavad-Gita. **[17:14]** Sama means equal, to all living entities, to see the spirit soul. **[17:21]** Anyone, it doesn't matter whether he is man, or cat, or dog, or tree, or ant, or insect, or big man. **[17:32]** They are all part and parcel of God. They are simply dressed differently. **[17:39]** One has got the dress of tree, one has got the dress of king, one has got insect. **[17:46]** That is also explained in the Bhagavad-Gita. **[17:51]** One who is pandit, his vision is equal. **[17:57]** So, if St. Francis was thinking like that, that is higher standard of spiritual understanding. **[20:58]** Should we turn back, Prabhupada? -Yes **[21:05]** What does this sound mean? **[21:08]** It means to begin to roll. Action. It means action. **[21:13]** When they snap that it's the beginning of the shooting. **[21:22]** The boy who is following the cart, in the red, is making one documentary film all about **[21:29]** your stay here in Australia. Then it will be distributed to the government. Actually this is **[21:35]** an independent film, you can put it into library, people can get it for their schools, colleges. **[21:57]** To understand Krishna is very difficult job. Krishna has personally said in the Bhagavad-Gita. **[22:10]** Out of many, many millions of persons, not only at this age, in the past also. **[22:20]** Out of many millions of persons, one is trying to become perfect. **[22:29]** Generally, they have no knowledge what is perfection. Perfection they do not know. **[22:38]** The perfection means to stop this process of birth, death, old age, and disease. **[22:47]** That is called perfection. Everyone is trying to be perfect **[22:52]** but they do not know what is perfection. **[22:54]** Perfection means this: that when you are free from these four imperfections. **[23:04]** What is that? Birth, death, old age and disease. **[23:08]** Nobody wants to die. But there is forcefully, "You must die." That is imperfection. **[23:17]** But these rascals, they do not know. They think that we must die. **[23:22]** But no, because you are eternal. You are not meant for death. **[23:28]** But nature is forcing you--must die. **[24:19]** His navel is like lotus flower, His eyes are like lotus flower, His feet, lotus feet. **[24:30]** So lotus is the comparison of the beauty of different limbs or parts **[24:41]** of the transcendental body of Krishna **[24:46]** God is the supreme being, full with six kinds of opulences. Therefore, He attracts everyone. **[25:00]** This is the definition of the word 'Krishna.' **[25:05]** This Bhagavad-Gita is spoken by Krishna, the perfect person. **[25:14]** The pains and pleasures, on account of this material body, we have to feel. **[25:21]** But if we come to the spiritual platform, that is understanding of the soul. **[25:28]** Then in any condition we shall be happy. **[25:40]** Do you consider your movement the major form of enlightenment emanating from **[25:45]** the United States today? What order of priority is your movement in the White House **[25:53]** psychological warfare department? Also, do you plan to attend our July 4th **[25:59]** demonstration again this year to try and ..... it up and divert people away from taking **[26:05]** up real political issues concerned with Australian government? **[26:12]** One question at a time. I can answer them for you if you like. **[26:14]** Our movement is not coming from the United States. **[26:16]** If you have a paranoia, a stigma around everything coming from the United States, **[26:24]** that's your hang-up, not mine. Second of all, our spiritual master, he came to the United **[26:34]** States to start this Krishna Consciousness movement because he got a free ticket **[26:41]** on a boat to go there. And because of the mercy of this one lady who gave him the free **[26:46]** ticket on the boat, he came to America on the orders of his spiritual master. **[26:52]** This is the reason he came to America to start Krishna Consciousness. **[26:56]** If you had extended him a free ticket he probably would have come to Australia first. **[27:00]** He was a penniless monk in India, and he was trying to follow the orders of his spiritual **[27:07]** teacher by spreading love of God. **[27:10]** Some people would say that Krishna Consciousness is too austere. It should be taken in stages. **[27:19]** What is there austere? You are starving? **[27:25]** We say don't eat meat. Is it very great austerity? **[27:35]** No illicit sex. We don't say no sex. Illicit sex. Where is the austerity? **[27:50]** Devotees, they must rise early in the morning, take cold bath. **[27:54]** That is healthy. Because early to rise, early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy and wise. **[28:04]** That's fact. What to speak of early to rise, I practically don't sleep at night. **[28:16]** Only two hours. Still, I go up early in the morning. What is so wrong? No, I don't sleep in. **[28:50]** So everything is alright? Give him these flowers. **[29:25]** Should I distribute this rasgula? -Yes.