# Morning Walks, Melbourne, 1974 **Location:** Melbourne (1974) **Duration:** 10:45 <div class="video-container" style="position: relative; padding-bottom: 56.25%; height: 0; overflow: hidden; max-width: 100%;"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/F6sCQHqLjk8" style="position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%; pointer-events: auto; z-index: 10;" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div> [Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6sCQHqLjk8) --- ## Transcript **[00:06]** Therefore it is the viddhi marga. Viddhi marga means to work under the direction of the spiritual master. **[00:14]** Just like apprentice in a factory. One is working as apprentice, he does not know how to... **[00:25]** But gradually, when he becomes practiced then he gets a good job, good salary. Is it not? **[00:36]** Similarly, this is apprenticeship. **[00:38]** To rise early in the morning offer Mangal Arotik and bhog, this, that, so many rules and regulations. **[00:44]** Then naturally there will be spontaneous love. In the beginning there is no spontaneous love. **[00:53]** One has to work under the direction of the spiritual master and sastra, scriptures. **[01:14]** Yes, they were saying that this was then a form of idol worship **[01:18]** because there was no realization in the service... **[01:20]** No, no. Even if there is no realization, it is not idol. It is idol worship for the rascals, not for the devotees. **[01:32]** A devotee, under the direction of his spiritual master is engaged in the service of the Deity. **[01:42]** The idea is that you cannot approach the Supreme Lord in your present **[01:53]** condition, therefore He has agreed to take your service, just like a stone. **[01:59]** You can handle stone, you can handle. But you cannot handle this, virat-rupa, the gigantic form. **[02:09]** So it is His mercy. Just like I have give this example many times. Just like a small letter-box, it is a Post Office. **[02:21]** But for your facility, it is a box. It is Post Office. Actually it is Post Office. **[02:30]** You put the letter and will go 10,000 miles away. How it goes? **[02:43]** It goes to the GPO and then it is dispatched. **[02:45]** That's alright, because it is authorized. Therefore the work is being done. **[02:51]** You don't think "I have put it into a small box." **[02:55]** It has gone to the Post Office and work is going on. **[02:58]** Similarly, for your facility, Krishna has appeared before you as stone, as wood, but He is... **[03:05]** Stone is also Krishna, that requires a little brain. He can take service in any form. **[03:12]** That is absolute. Because the stone is not different from Krishna. **[03:17]** It is Krishna's energy. So He is able to take service from you in anyway. **[03:24]** Therefore you have to approach Him authorizedly. **[03:30]** If you imitate a small box in your... write simply the same letter box, red. **[03:38]** That will not go. That will stay there for millions of years. **[03:43]** But the box which is authorized, that will go. Is it clear? **[03:50]** Tell these rascals, "It is not idol worship." **[04:44]** He knows, he has heard law or scripture book, this is sinful, and the man is going to be punished. **[04:53]** But still he will do it, still he will commit the same criminal acts. **[05:01]** That means want of knowledge. He is embarrassed, **[05:06]** he is so much in ignorance that he cannot restrain himself. **[05:11]** So therefore if he doesn't do it then he remains always pure, always pure. **[05:20]** Initiation means he is purified. But if he does not contaminate again, then he remains purified. **[05:28]** But if he purposely contaminates again, that is his fault. **[05:34]** Otherwise during the time of initiation he is completely freed from all sinful reactions. **[05:43]** Completely freed. The spiritual master takes all the reaction of his sinful life. **[05:50]** Just like Krishna says, aham tvam... **[06:01]** This is the relationship stated in the... We have discussed in the Caitanya-caritamrta. **[06:09]** It is not a joke, accepting a disciple. It is not a joke. It is a very important task. **[06:19]** It is not that joke that you pay me $35 and I give you deliverance immediately **[06:30]** and I push your eyes and you will see the light. **[06:39]** These are, the both of them, going to Hell. **[06:54]** Caitanya Mahaprabhu has warned therefore that, "Don't make many disciples." **[06:59]** There is risk. But for preaching work a devotee takes the risk. **[07:06]** Alright, let me go to Hell, others may go to Krishna. **[07:09]** That is just like Prahlada Maharaja says... **[07:16]** Christian philosophy. Is it not? You see. There love is so that "You go to Hell-let me enjoy." Just see. **[08:09]** ...varieties. There are three qualities. You multiply three into three. It becomes nine. **[08:21]** And if you multiply nine into nine, you become, you see eighty-one. **[08:28]** So therefore all these varieties of life, they are being controlled because... **[08:38]** Not controlled. He accepts to be controlled. Prakrti does not want. **[08:46]** Nature does not want to control you. **[08:49]** Just like police force. Police force is not meant for controlling you. But when you accept **[09:01]** to be controlled by police, when you become a criminal, then police force controls you, **[09:07]** not that police force is made by the government unnecessarily to control you. No. **[09:14]** He's to help you. Government has arranged policeman in every crossing. **[09:21]** They are wandering in the street. They are meant for helping you. **[09:28]** They are not meant for controlling you. **[09:31]** But when you agree to be controlled by the police, then it will control you. **[09:39]** Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. **[09:43]** Then you become under the police control, if you become criminal. And what is that criminality? **[09:51]** The criminality is that krsna-bahirmukha **[10:00]** ...He wants to glorify the name of the Lord. And some people says that there is no name of God. **[10:12]** How? If Lord Jesus Christ says "Hallowed by Thy name," there must be name. **[10:20]** The name is there, but he did not pronounce it because the people at that time will not **[10:30]** be able to understand or maybe some reason, but he says there is name. **[10:36]** So we are making this propaganda, Krsna consciousness movement, the **[10:47]** ...It is very scientific movement because at the present moment we are all godless, **[10:55]** forgotten what is God and what to speak of His name. **[10:59]** They do not believe in God and what to speak of His name, fame, His place, **[11:07]** His activities, His form, His qualities. How we can know? **[11:13]** There is no educational system about the science of God. **[11:20]** This movement, Krsna consciousness movement, is teaching the science of God. **[11:29]** And if you accept the name of the God, name of God, Krsna-this is also affirmed **[11:43]** in other system also-then you will be able to associate with God immediately. **[11:59]** Because God is Absolute. Absolute means there is no difference. **[12:14]** Just like in the relative world... This is relative world. Material world means the relative world. **[12:24]** Relative world means the son. As soon as I say "the son," there must be a father. **[12:33]** As soon as I say, "friend," there must be another man, friend. **[12:41]** As soon as I say, "water," there must be something as water. **[12:47]** But in the Absolute world, the name water and the water is the same. **[12:55]** This is called Absolute, no different separation. **[13:03]** So in the kingdom of God, the God is God and His son is also God. **[13:11]** There the everything-there is no difference between the name and the substance. **[13:22]** Here in this material world the name and the substance different. **[13:28]** Just like if I am thirsty, I want water, so the water must come to me. **[13:36]** If I simply chant, "Water, water, water," that will not be effective, **[13:41]** because it is relative world. But in the transcendental world, Krsna is the name of God **[13:56]** and it is God also. So by chanting Hare Krsna, you are directly in contact with God. **[14:09]** This is the meaning of Hare Krsna, **[14:13]** ...has got this experience. Therefore I am the enjoyer, purusa. I am changing simply body, **[14:20]** this way or that way. This is my position. **[14:25]** So one who is intelligent, that "I change body and different bodies. **[14:34]** I am eternal, so what is my eternal business?" This is athato brahma jijnasa. **[14:43]** This is called inquiry of the spiritual life. This is very simple thing, **[14:54]** that, "I am simply changing body. Then what is my real position?" **[15:00]** This is intelligent. When a man comes to this position or this platform, **[15:08]** to inquire, "Actually what I am?" that is beginning of human life. **[15:16]** Otherwise, it is animal life. The animal also thinks, **[15:21]** "I am dog," "I am tiger," "I am pig." Or similarly if I think, **[15:27]** "I am Mr. Such and such. I am president, I am this, I am that." **[15:31]** You are none of these, sir. These are all designations, for the temporary, **[15:37]** for a certain period, ten years, five years, fifty years, utmost hundred years, then finished. **[15:43]** But you are eternal. So here it is said, purusa. "I am purusa. I am enjoying." **[15:53]** So purusa prakrti-sthah. So long he is in this material body, he bhunkte. Bhunkte means enjoys. **[16:05]** Not enjoyment. We think we are enjoying, but we are suffering actually. **[16:12]** And because we cannot understand what is suffering... Suffering there is. **[16:17]** Sometimes we come to understand. But we are accepting this suffering as enjoying. **[16:24]** ...So whatever we are doing in certain type of body in this material world, that is suffering. **[16:35]** That is not enjoying. Because why you are placed? Because I wanted to enjoy life like that. **[16:44]** So purusa prakrti-stho hi bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan [Bg. 13.22]. **[16:49]** And this profit is nothing but acceptance of the quality of material nature. **[16:58]** And that is very practical. We can understand. Just like we are getting... **[17:05]** I get, say, fifty-thousand dollars in a check. **[17:12]** So I think that "I have got fifty thousand dollars." But what is this fifty thousand dollars? **[17:20]** It is a piece of paper. You see? This is called illusion. In this way you study your life, you will see. **[17:29]** If you are sober, if you are actually thoughtful, you will find that **[17:36]** "This is not my life. This is not my life. But I am falsely thinking that I am enjoying life." **[17:48]** Therefore frustration. Next stage is frustration. Everyone, **[17:55]** we are frustrated because we are in this material world. **[18:01]** That, Prahlada Maharaja said, a great devotee, that... His father asked me, **[18:08]** "My dear boy, what best thing you have learned?" He said, "My dear father..." **[18:15]** He did not say, "father." His father was first-class materialist. So he addressed him, **[18:21]** "the best of the demons," because... **[18:26]** ...So this Krsna consciousness movement is trying to liberate these foolish persons **[18:34]** who are entangled in this material world and changing one body after another, **[18:42]** sometimes very happy and sometimes very distressed. **[18:47]** ...The quality is the same, a drop of Atlantic or Pacific Ocean and the ocean. **[18:54]** If you taste the drop, a small drop, it is salty--you can understand that the ocean is also salty. **[19:05]** But the containing, the contents of salt, that is very small, and the contents of salt **[19:16]** in the ocean, that is very big. That you cannot imagine. It is like that. **[19:24]** God is like you and me, a person. But He is Pacific Ocean; we are drop. That's all. **[19:36]** Yes? What is your question? This gentleman, yes. **[19:55]** He wants to know what the doctrine of Krsna consciousness is. **[19:59]** Krsna consciousness means that you are part and parcel of Krsna, or God, **[20:04]** you being separated, I have already explained, you are suffering in this material world. **[20:12]** So you back to your father, go back to your father and be happy. That's all. **[20:41]** You are saying that God is spirit, we are spirit and what follows from there? **[21:02]** So we're spiritual ideas of God so therefore the material state of mind. **[21:17]** So what is the question? **[21:57]** In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. **[22:05]** The question is, "If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?" **[22:09]** Yes. You forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces the father. **[22:20]** Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, **[22:25]** "Father, I must go. I must go." "All right, you go at your risk. That's all. And you suffer. **[22:33]** What can be done?" Because you are son of God-God has got independence, **[22:44]** full independence, almighty-therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. **[22:49]** You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. **[22:58]** If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, "All right, you can go." **[23:07]** This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. **[23:18]** And you come and enjoy. Beginning from Lord Brahma down to the worms in the stool, **[23:28]** gradually, according to your work, according to your desire, you manufacture **[23:35]** your different types of body and enjoy and suffer. That's all. **[23:43]** Your devotees say that you aim to get beyond the disease of material existence. **[23:50]** I don't quite pick up what your process was for doing this, and could you tell me **[23:57]** what the end result is once you do get beyond this. **[24:05]** What is that? **[24:07]** In Krsna consciousness, the process is to get beyond the disease of material existence. **[24:15]** The first part of his question is how to do this, the second part of this question, **[24:19]** "What is the end result after taking to the process?" **[24:24]** The process is to transfer yourself from material energy to spiritual energy. **[24:37]** We are under energy. God has got two energies-material energy and spiritual energy. **[24:48]** We are also energy. We are marginal energy. So marginal energy means we can **[24:59]** remain under the material energy or on the spiritual energy, as we make our choice. **[25:07]** Marginal... Just like on the beach you find sometimes on the border of the water, **[25:18]** the water is covering the land, and sometimes the land is open. **[25:24]** This is called marginal position. Similarly, we are marginal energy of God, living entities. **[25:37]** So we can remain under the water, means material energy, **[25:44]** or we can remain open also, in spiritual energy. **[25:49]** What is our view of Lord Jesus Christ? **[25:54]** Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ, he is son of God, the best son of God, **[26:01]** we have all respect for him, yes. **[26:06]** Anyone who is teaching people about God consciousness, he is respectful to us. **[26:16]** It does not matter in which country, in which atmosphere he was preaching. **[26:23]** It doesn't matter. **[26:56]** St. Francis, the founder of this particular order which we have been invited to speak to, **[27:04]** found God in the material world. And he used to address the aspects of the material world **[27:11]** as "brother" and "sister." "Brother tree," "sister water," like that. What is your view upon this? **[27:20]** This is real God consciousness. This is real God consciousness, yes, not that **[27:27]** "I am God conscious, and I kill the animals." That is not God conscious. **[27:38]** To accept the trees, plants, lower animals, insignificant ants even, as brothers... **[27:48]** Samah sarvesu bhutesu. This is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. **[27:54]** brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu **[28:02]** Samah. Samah means equal to all living entities, to see the spirit soul, anyone... **[28:09]** It doesn't matter whether he is man or cat or dog or tree or ant or insect or big man. **[28:20]** They are all parts and parcel of God. They are simply dressed differently. **[28:27]** One has got the dress of tree; one has got the dress of king; one has got the, insect. **[28:34]** That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Panditah sama-darsinah: [Bg. 5.18] **[28:39]** "One who is pandita, learned, his vision is equal." **[28:44]** So if St. Francis was thinking like that, that is highest standard of spiritual understanding. **[28:54]** The gross dress or coat and the subtle dress. **[28:58]** The gross dress is made of five material elements: earth, water, fire, air, ether, **[29:10]** and the subtle dress is mind, intelligence and ego... **[29:57]** ...It is only practice. **[30:10]** On account of illicit sex there are so many troubles, so many troubles.