# The Acharya Part 5
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## Transcript
**[00:23]** Hello. I'm Sid Hunter. Here at the Srila Prabhupada museum in Los Angeles.
**[00:27]** Over the past several years, I've had the good fortune
**[00:31]** of being the editor of ITV's acclaimed Acharya series.
**[00:35]** In a few minutes, you'll be seeing the Acharya part five,
**[00:39]** another wonderful collection of documentary film clips,
**[00:43]** that provide us with an intimate glimpse into the remarkable personality
**[00:48]** of that great visionary and spiritual teacher,
**[00:51]** His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
**[00:56]** But sadly, this will be the final show in the Acharya series.
**[01:01]** The film segments you are about to see represent the very last remaining
**[01:06]** 16mm sound synchronized material in our collection of intimate footage of Srila Prabhupada.
**[01:12]** All of us at ITV feel honored to have participated in the production of the entire series,
**[01:18]** and we extend our heartfelt thanks to Yadubara Das, and his wife, Vishaka Dasi,
**[01:24]** who gave us so much of the original footage that was used to compile these shows.
**[01:32]** Certainly everyone who personally knew and loved Srila Prabhupada will appreciate
**[01:37]** the opportunity to rekindle and relish the sublime memory of his presence,
**[01:41]** and for those who never met Srila Prabhupada in person, we hope that these rare,
**[01:47]** all too brief moments will serve as an inspiration to learn more about his saintly personality and his teachings.
**[02:03]** At the ripe old age of sixty-nine, his divine grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,
**[02:10]** boarded an Indian steamship bound for America.
**[02:14]** Like so many who have come before, he arrived with only a few dollars,
**[02:19]** a couple of battered trunks, and a dream.
**[02:23]** But his was not the usual dream of freedom, fame, or fortune.
**[02:28]** Srila Prabhupada had a bold vision for the re-spiritualization of the entire western world.
**[02:35]** He sought to transform the predominantly material consciousness of the West
**[02:40]** by transplanting the ancient religious traditions of India.
**[02:44]** First to America, and then throughout the world.
**[02:47]** The seeds that this elderly saffron-robed holy man planted took immediate root and blossomed into
**[02:55]** an international spiritual movement that profoundly influenced the lives of millions of people,
**[03:00]** in just twelve years, from 1965 until he passed away in 1977.
**[03:07]** Srila Prabhupada circled the globe some fourteen times, preaching, gathering disciples,
**[03:13]** and opening hundreds of centers for the study and practice of Krishna Consciousness.
**[03:18]** In that time, he also managed to write and publish over eighty volumes of translation and commentary
**[03:25]** on the sacred texts that form the basis of Indian religious and philosophical thought,
**[03:31]** winning lavish praise from the academic community for his dedicated scholarship and profound insight.
**[03:37]** Today, his books are available in over thirty languages and are being printed
**[03:43]** at the phenomenal rate of twenty million copies a year.
**[03:48]** All of Srila Prabhupada's accomplishments were the result of his single-minded determination
**[03:52]** to make the science of self-realization both understandable and achievable.
**[03:58]** Even in a world increasingly consumed by material values.
**[04:02]** By his tireless preaching, such fundamental spiritual concepts as vegetarianism, karma,
**[04:10]** and reincarnation have become widely understood and accepted.
**[04:15]** But Srila Prabhupada's struggle against all odds to establish a spiritual beachhead
**[04:21]** in the Western world is more than just a tribute to his fierce and vigorous resolve.
**[04:26]** His remarkable success was in great part due to an engaging personal warmth,
**[04:32]** a rare blend of deep moral strength and quiet humility that inspired both reverence and affection.
**[04:39]** Srila Prabhupada succeeded because his life and personality
**[04:44]** were the epitome of the ideal he set forth for others to follow.
**[04:48]** He could offer to everyone he met not just a theory, but a practical way of living.
**[04:55]** At every moment, he was a true acharya, a holy man who teaches others by example.
**[05:18]** That is our motto. Krishna is Sun. Remember? Krsna surya sama.
**[05:26]** So when Krsna Sun is there, all those glowworms, (impersonalists) will be finished.
**[05:39]** Keep this sun always shining. Then these glowworms will be finished.
**[06:06]** There is one newspaper article in the papers, I was reading, they were advertising a new book
**[06:11]** about the evolution of man, and it was saying that there were approximately 2 million
**[06:15]** varieties of life on this planet. This was the calculation of the scientists.
**[06:20]** Two million? No. 8,400,000.
**[06:26]** You were saying the other day that all the species of life are mentioned in the Padma-purana.
**[06:42]** Is it divided by country or within one country there are many species?
**[06:49]** You are thinking of the country but shastra (scripture) takes the planets, not the country.
**[06:58]** Your idea is based upon country, nationality, but shastra is not.
**[07:05]** There is no such thing as nationality. Take the whole universe, as a whole.
**[07:11]** They consider from that angle of vision. One planet or universe.
**[07:23]** Just like last night the girl was astonished at how this planet can be governed by one king.
**[07:34]** And it was actually being done and the whole universe is being governed by Brahma.
**[07:40]** One person. So one must know how to govern.
**[07:45]** Just like we have got different GBCs for different jobs.
**[07:51]** Similarly, they're doing their duty nicely.
**[07:55]** All these planets are the different residential quarters of different demigods.
**[08:05]** They are controlling the whole universal affairs.
**[08:10]** In comparison to them this human being is nothing.
**[08:15]** There is a good chance, however, of realizing God in this human form of life.
**[08:22]** Just like the difference between western countries and India.
**[08:29]** In India there is a very quick chance of realization of God.
**[08:33]** The atmosphere is so nice.
**[08:38]** So, this planet is good for God realization and the best place is in India.
**[08:49]** So, in this planet everyone is meat eating, or in this country everyone is performing sinful activities...
**[08:56]** Therefore, it is decreasing. The more you are becoming sinful, the more the rain will decrease.
**[09:02]** Yes, and at the end, there will be no rain.
**[09:07]** Then this whole planet will be ablaze with fire. That is the beginning of destruction.
**[09:14]** There will be scarcity of rain and scarcity of food grains.
**[09:20]** The best thing is at night there must be heavy rain and daytime there should be sunshine.
**[09:30]** Then the field will be very fertile.
**[09:34]** That is knowledge. But they have no knowledge.
**[09:39]** They simply want to enjoy.
**[09:42]** They do not care for death also.
**[09:45]** Simply sense gratification. That's all.
**[09:50]** This is called Danav (demoniac). "Danav" life.
**[09:54]** They say originally there was just a cell, and by adaptation, certain circumstances,
**[10:00]** one kind would live and another would die, so all these varieties adapted to different conditions.
**[10:05]** Who adapted?
**[10:06]** They did, accidentally.
**[10:07]** Who managed?
**[10:08]** That is nonsense. Nothing happens accidentally. That is nonsense.
**[10:14]** There must be some arrangement. What is happening accidentally?
**[10:19]** Why are you taking care of the trees? So many things. Nothing is done accidentally.
**[10:28]** If accident is there, let accident come and I'll become a rich man. Why do they try?
**[10:37]** Why do they go to college? Then accidentally you become M.A., Ph.D.
**[10:43]** This is all rascaldom.
**[10:58]** Dr. Meyers found that he is chanting Hare Krsna a little in the shower now.
**[11:03]** When he takes his shower he chants a little bit.
**[11:06]** One press reporter at Berkeley University, in the beginning, he wrote his article and he wrote that
**[11:17]** after hearing these "Hare Krishna's" for a few minutes, "I came home chanting all the way,
**[11:26]** "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna"…
**[11:29]** So, when you conquer over these base qualities (lust and greed), then you'll become happy.
**[11:40]** tada rajas-tamo-bhavah kama-lobhadayas ca ye ceta etair anaviddham
**[11:48]** When the consciousness is not influenced by these base qualities.
**[12:00]** Being situated on the platform of sattva guna (goodness), he feels happy.
**[12:08]** That is the beginning of spiritual life.
**[12:11]** When so long the mind is disturbed by lusty desires and greediness,
**[12:17]** there is no question of spiritual life.
**[12:20]** Therefore, the first business is how to control the mind.
**[12:27]** So that it may not be influenced by the base qualities, lusty desires and greediness.
**[12:41]** We have seen is Paris, an old man 75 years old, he is going to the nightclub,
**[12:55]** because the lusty desire is there.
**[13:06]** He pays $50 for entering the club, and then he pays further for other things.
**[13:22]** So even though he is 75 years old, the lusty desire is there.
**[13:37]** Do all souls fall out of the spiritual sky at once, or at different times,
**[13:43]** or are there any souls that are always good, they're not foolish?
**[13:47]** Majority, 90%, they're always good. They never fall down.
**[13:54]** So we're among the 10%?
**[13:58]** Yes. Or less than that.
**[14:03]** In the whole material world all the living entities, they're just like in the prison house.
**[14:11]** There is some population, but they're not the majority.
**[14:16]** The majority of the population, they're outside the prison house.
**[14:22]** Similarly, the majority of living beings, part and parcel of God, they're in the spiritual world.
**[14:29]** Only a few fall down.
**[14:32]** Does Krishna know ahead of time that a soul is going to become foolish and fall?
**[14:37]** Krishna. Yes Krishna may know because He is omniscient.
**[14:44]** Are more souls falling all the time?
**[14:49]** Not all the time, but there is the tendency of fall down.
**[14:55]** Not for all, but because the is independence,
**[15:00]** everyone is not liking to misuse their independence.
**[15:05]** The same example, just like a government constructing a city,
**[15:16]** and they construct also a prison house,
**[15:18]** because the government knows that somebody will be criminal.
**[15:24]** So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand.
**[15:35]** Not that cent per cent of the population will be criminal.
**[15:39]** But the government knows that some of them will be.
**[15:48]** Otherwise why do they construct the prison house also?
**[15:52]** One may say, "Where are the criminals? You are constructing a prison house?"
**[15:55]** But the government knows, "Oh, there will be criminals!"
**[15:59]** So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot? Because there is the tendency.
**[16:11]** The origin of that tendency is?
**[16:16]** Tendency means the independence.
**[16:21]** So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly,
**[16:30]** or one can misuse it. That is independence.
**[16:36]** Therefore, it is the duty of the human being to know how to control the mind.
**[16:43]** Not act like cats and dogs. That is human being.
**[16:50]** He should be inquisitive. Why is this happening, why is this happening?
**[16:58]** And he should take education. That is human life.
**[17:03]** That is the difference between a human being and a dog.
**[17:18]** Therefore, Vedic injunction is "go on and inquire." "You have got this human form of life."
**[17:25]** Athato brahma-jijnasa "Now this is the time for inquiring about the soul."
**[17:32]** Tad vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigaccet.
**[17:38]** "If you want to understand this science, then go to a proper guru and take lessons from him."
**[17:45]** The same thing as we instruct our children,
**[17:53]** "If you want to be educated in the higher status of life, go to school, go to college, take lessons."
**[18:04]** That is human society.
**[18:06]** The dog's father will never ask the dog child, "Go to school."
**[18:11]** No, they're dogs.
**[18:26]** The hippies are dissatisfied with the method of modern materialistic way of life? Is it not?
**[18:33]** Voluntarily they are giving up possessions. Sit down.
**[18:50]** They want to have something new, but they are not accepting what is actually better.
**[18:59]** Some of them are accepting. But there is frustration. There is no doubt. Frustration.
**[19:14]** Yes. This materialistic way of life like their fathers, grandfathers, they do not like.
**[19:21]** Is it not?
**[19:30]** In Los Angeles, do you live in richness, do you have a car, and a chauffer, and a yacht?
**[19:37]** Why not? I am the guru of the richest country, why shall I not have a car?
**[19:43]** Do you follow?
**[19:48]** If I am guru of the richest country, then why shall I not have a car?
**[19:59]** So, you have one?
**[20:01]** I have many. In each center I've got at least one dozen cars.
**[20:07]** Just now I'm coming from Europe, Germany. They've got 19 vans.
**[20:19]** They go into the interior villages. Volkswagon?
**[20:29]** So our devotees are packed up in each bus and they go into the interior villages.
**[20:39]** Similarly, in every center we have got.
**[20:46]** In Germany, in England, in Los Angeles, in New York.
**[20:52]** Here also?
**[20:59]** Just see.
**[21:05]** Some spiritual leaders live in great richness...
**[21:16]** Because I know you are envious, therefore, I don't sit here (elevated seat), I am sitting here.
**[21:27]** You are very envious when a spiritual master is honored very nicely by his disciples,
**[21:33]** you become envious. What can be done?
**[21:41]** But that is the etiquette, that the spiritual master be honored as good as God.
**[21:50]** But if you do not know, you become envious,
**[21:54]** "Why this man is sitting in this position in this gorgeous way?"
**[21:58]** What can be done?
**[22:09]** …But the tailor according to the body makes a covering of this hand.
**[22:18]** And this looks like a hand This covering of the chest looks like a chest.
**[22:26]** Therefore, the impersonal means the material covering.
**[22:34]** Otherwise, the spirit soul is personal.
**[22:40]** Just like you go to the tailor according to your body, the tailor will cut a coat.
**[22:50]** The ingreditents of the coat, the cloth, that is impersonal.
**[22:55]** But it is made like a person. (The covering of the person)
**[23:03]** In other words, the spirit soul is personal.
**[23:10]** As much as God is also a person.
**[23:13]** Impersonal means the covering. Try to understand.
**[23:18]** The covering is impersonal.
**[23:25]** Not the, the living being who is covered, he is not impersonal, he is personal.
**[23:37]** A very simple example. The coat and shirt are impersonal.
**[23:43]** But the man who is putting on the coat and shirt, he is not impersonal.
**[23:48]** He is personal. So how God can be impersonal?
**[23:56]** The material energy is impersonal. That is explained…
**[24:12]** That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita:
**[24:14]** Maya tatam idam sarvam, jagat avyakta murtinam.
**[24:19]** This jagat is avyakta, impersonal. And that is also energy of Krishna. Therefore, He says,
**[24:32]** "I am expanded in the impersonal form."
**[24:39]** The impersonal feature is Krishna's energy. So the material covering is impersonal.
**[24:53]** But the spirit soul or Supersoul is a person.
**[24:58]** Any questions on this? It is very intricate. Anyone?
**[25:14]** This payment, the Book Trust has paid to me. But that is my money, not your money.
**[25:22]** I am paying you. It has been simply sent though you.
**[25:25]** Transfer.
**[25:28]** But actually the Book Trust is not paying to me. So under the circumstances what is the account?
**[25:35]** You are debiting, paid to A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.
**[25:41]** I have written it as a transfer, because Your Divine Grace told me
**[25:46]** you were going to give me these certified checks.
**[25:48]** I can do it another way. If you do not want to deposit the checks with us,
**[25:57]** I will write it as a donation to some project in India.
**[26:01]** Whatever the money is used for I can simply make it a donation.
**[26:06]** Donation, that's alright, but you are not donating, you are taking payment.
**[26:12]** Only if you want.
**[26:14]** No.
**[26:15]** You give me a statement. If not many months, at least in this month,
**[26:25]** what is the receipt, and how it is spent, and what is the balance.
**[26:31]** For this account, in India?
**[26:35]** No, no.
**[26:36]** Every month you give me a statement.
**[26:39]** Of BBT?
**[26:42]** Yes.
**[26:43]** So much received and so much spent.
**[26:46]** Oh, yes, I can do that. Every month.
**[26:47]** Every month.
**[26:48]** No problem. I am doing that already, and sending a full report to Bhagavan
**[26:53]** and Hamsadutta each month.
**[26:54]** So you can give me one copy.
**[26:57]** Yes. I never did before because I didn't want to disturb you with the details.
**[27:01]** No details.
**[27:03]** Give me this.
**[27:20]** I will also be able to keep a record,
**[27:25]** so you can for transfer receive the check. Is that alright?
**[27:36]** I am giving in favor of BBT. Yes, that's right.
**[28:24]** Where is my pen box? Here.
**[29:09]** There is not sufficient men or they're not working? Otherwise there is a tremendous market.
**[29:16]** I did it personally. When I was alone I was selling the Bhagavatam.
**[29:22]** All the schools, colleges, everywhere with great delight they were taking.
**[29:30]** And then I got a standing order from the American Embassy.
**[29:34]** 18 copies of each book as soon as its published. The same standing order.
**[29:40]** But these people are not doing their job.
**[29:43]** Indian management is very…
**[29:47]** So for the time being, if the money will not be used for the construction in Mayapur,
**[29:53]** it will be used to print books.
**[29:56]** Mayapur, they have already taken one-half lac from me.
**[30:00]** Gopal Krishna, in India, requested that BBT give him a loan of 160,000 dollars.
**[30:11]** In India, during the Mayapur festival, he requested a loan from the U.S. BBT
**[30:19]** for 160,000 dollars, which would be used to construct the second residence building.
**[30:28]** How will he pay back?
**[30:30]** His plan was that the American temples would purchase rooms,
**[30:35]** and over a period of four or five years they would pay that money back.
**[30:40]** So is that still approved by your Divine Grace?
**[30:45]** Yes, I have no objection.
**[30:47]** The only thing is that we will have to delay the loan because for the next three months,
**[30:53]** all our money will be used to print these 17 books.
**[30:56]** First of all books, then loan. We cannot hold up printing, that is not possible.
**[31:06]** This you must always keep in view.
**[31:09]** We are not going to…The surplus money we are going to pay.
**[31:14]** Not that at the cost of stopping printing. You must always keep it (in view).
**[31:20]** When you require money for printing, there is no question of loan or temple building.
**[31:27]** This should be our principle.
**[31:42]** How would we react if someone breaks in and tries to rob the building?
**[31:47]** Rob?
**[31:48]** A thief. What would we do if a thief came in?
**[31:52]** Oh, a thief? Well you shall punish him. Why not? A thief should be punished.
**[32:00]** You would punish yourself? What would you do? Just start attacking him?
**[32:08]** No, ourself or anyone, a thief has to be punished. A thief has to be punished.
**[32:16]** Ourself or yourself, it doesn't matter. A thief is a thief. He should be punished.
**[32:23]** So what if he breaks in because he is hungry?
**[32:35]** Then we say, "Everyone come and eat." Why should he remain hungry?
**[32:39]** We invite everyone to come here and eat. No charge. We don't charge.
**[32:47]** So why should he remain hungry? Let us increase this program.
**[32:53]** All hungry men of Melbourne city, "Come here to eat sumptuously."
**[33:00]** We invite, "Come on." Why should you remain hungry?
**[33:05]** Because they have made a department, just like yours. What is the department?
**[33:13]** Social welfare.
**[33:14]** So if they find social welfare, why not help? Why do they bring in politics?
**[33:23]** If actually there is social welfare here, why should they not support it?
**[33:30]** Well you're right. But in our society, a minister is elected to carry out certain policies.
**[33:40]** Not what he wants, but what the people voted for.
**[33:45]** Then if your policy is social reformation,
**[33:50]** Social reform isn't our policy.
**[33:52]** Then social welfare.
**[33:54]** Just to look after those who are in trouble.
**[33:57]** But everyone is in trouble. At the present moment even the ministers are in trouble.
**[34:05]** Yes, but that is not what our function is, everybody's in trouble.
**[34:09]** "Physician heal thyself."
**[34:11]** You see, they are also drunkards, woman hunters, and meat-eaters and gamblers.
**[34:19]** They require to be rectified.
**[34:24]** Unless you change the society, how can you make social welfare?
**[34:35]** If you keep them as they are, then were is the question of welfare?
**[34:40]** You give a different interpretation to the word.
**[34:45]** Basically, one must be a first-class, ideal man. That is wanted.
**[34:55]** That is why it is so very difficult, you have to work on your own.
**[35:02]** Our own program, it is not vox populi. You find out a fault with us.
**[35:13]** You find out what is our fault. Then you can disagree.
**[35:20]** But when you see, everything is nice, how you'll not accept it? Unless you are biased.
**[35:29]** Of course I'm biased, I've been brought up differently.
**[35:32]** No, we are not biased. We are not biased. We are allowing.
**[35:42]** We say that if you want to be a first-class man, then you must not commit sinful activities.
**[35:51]** That is our proposal.
**[35:54]** Actually I'm not here to change society.
**[36:01]** We are also public. We belong to the public. You must become our servant also.
**[36:07]** We are public, members of the public, so you should become our servant also.
**[36:13]** If you are public servant.
**[36:15]** A public servant, in our philosophy, is a man who serves the minister elected
**[36:23]** by the people, so this way he serves the public.
**[36:25]** Therefore, just like we are proposing here. I am not proposing, Krishna says,
**[36:33]** that one must be peaceful. So how to become peaceful?
**[36:38]** If his mind is always disturbed, how can he become peaceful?
**[36:45]** So, that is the secret of success.
**[36:50]** You want to make people peaceful but you do not know how to make them peaceful.
**[36:55]** So therefore, you have to adopt this.
**[36:57]** You have a competitive society.
**[37:00]** We say that you chant Hare Krishna, eat here sumptuously, live here comfortably,
**[37:09]** and you become peaceful. It is guaranteed.
**[37:14]** If anyone, even a madman agrees to these principles,
**[37:18]** that let him chant Hare Krishna mantra, take whatever nice foodstuffs we prepare,
**[37:27]** and live peacefully. He will be peaceful.
**[37:32]** Still such a small percentage of the population, a tiny percentage of the population accepts that the…
**[37:41]** Tiny percentage. Just like, there are so many stars in the sky and there is one moon.
**[37:51]** In percentage the moon is nothing.
**[37:56]** If you take percentage of the stars, the moon is nothing.
**[38:00]** but the moon is more important than all the nonsense stars.
**[38:03]** This is the example.
**[38:07]** What is the use of taking percentage of the stars in the presence of the moon?
**[38:13]** Let there be one moon, that is sufficient. There is no question of percentage. One ideal man.
**[38:20]** Just like in the Christian world, one ideal Jesus Christ.
**[38:26]** How do you feel about Mao Tse Tung?
**[38:34]** His idea is alright.
**[38:40]** His idea is the communist idea that everyone should be happy.
**[38:45]** That is good idea but they do not know how…
**[38:50]** Just like they are taking care of the human being in the state,
**[38:54]** but they are sending poor animals to the slaughter house.
**[38:57]** Because they are Godless.
**[39:00]** So, for the satisfaction of the tongue of the human being, the animal's through should be cut.
**[39:11]** So what can be done? Then hopeless.
**[39:14]** We are going on without depending on these rascals.
**[39:18]** We are publishing our books. We are making our movement. We are honestly trying, that's all.
**[39:33]** Dr. Gerson has promised that he will read every single one of your books before he writes his book.
**[39:39]** That is very kind of you. We have got over fifty books! And it is increasing.
**[39:52]** Perhaps in the next 2 months it will increase another 17 books.
**[39:59]** When a person came first he was doing drugs or some nonsense,
**[40:03]** but now that he's taken to Krishna Consciousness he has become
**[40:06]** so much more of a healthy and wholesome person.
**[40:08]** That is the test. How we got so many devotees from the Hippie group?
**[40:23]** So how they have given up all their bad habbits?
**[40:25]** So the function of this testing is to show that that change takes place
**[40:30]** in a way that other scientists will accept it. That is it's purpose.
**[40:34]** Oh, that's nice. That is already admitted by the educated class.
**[40:42]** Therefore, they are becoming attracted.
**[40:45]** Well there still are many who aren't familiar with the movement, and I hope to familiarize them.
**[40:52]** But I say that even if there is something wrong, it is not impediment.
**[40:58]** They are making propaganda that these American devotees are CIA.
**[41:04]** This propaganda is very strong in India.
**[41:10]** Making the people against these American boys who are preaching.
**[41:19]** I would like to show them a path so they won't be cheated any longer.
**[41:22]** Provided you know the path.
**[41:24]** I'm trying to learn.
**[41:26]** So first of all learn it. Otherwise you'll be cheating.
**[41:30]** If you do not know the art, and if you want to do some benefit to the others, then that is cheating.
**[41:47]** Suppose a physician he does not know what is the medical science,
**[41:51]** and if he wants to become a physician, that is cheating. Quack.
**[41:59]** I hope through the study I'm doing through the devotees and the books that comes out of it,
**[42:04]** it will help them not be cheated any longer and show them the right way.
**[42:10]** Yes.
**[42:12]** He is advising his patients they should chant Hare Krishna and to come to the temple.
**[42:16]** Then it is very nice. Then you are friend.
**[42:20]** Another thing I would like to do is go to Gurukula and test the children and show
**[42:25]** what NBC did was very false and unfair.
**[42:31]** On television, they did a very bad story about Gurukula.
**[42:33]** Yes, they're cheaters. They want to cheat and get some money. That's all.
**[42:39]** Because the whole so-called human society is a combination of "cheaters" and "cheated."
**[42:48]** So anyone who is acting without Krishna Consciousness, he is a cheater.
**[42:55]** And anyone who is thinking himself advanced without Krishna Consciousness, he is cheating.
**[43:02]** This is the basic principle.
**[43:06]** When I say Krishna Consciousness, I mean God Consciousness.