# Part 4: Agriculture and Cow Protection ## Agriculture: The Noblest Profession New Vrindaban, June 22, 1976 Prabhupāda Visits Palace and Garden **Simple living...agriculture, the noblest profession.. nation concept versus varṇāśrama conceptAndhra Pradesh:**What are these pipes? **Kīrtanānanda:** That's for drainage. For when the water goes out into the sewer, and goes out into the field and drains. **Prabhupāda:** You can utilize this water for fertilizing, drain water. **Kīrtanānanda:** Well, first of all, we have to satisfy the health department... **Kīrtanānanda:** We're trying to clear all this now too. **Prabhupāda:** This is ours? **Kīrtanānanda:** Yes. **Prabhupāda:** Oh. **Kīrtanānanda:** It takes a long time to clear it, though. **Prabhupāda:** Never mind. Do slowly, that is pleasure. **Kīrtanānanda:** Well, we could do it much faster if we didn't try to utilize the wood, but we want to utilize. **Prabhupāda:**Yes. Unnecessarily you should not cut.**When it is necessary for Kṛṣṇa, then you cut. This is also living entity. We cannot kill them without any sufficient reason...Agriculture is the noblest profession.**Give him some land, he cuts the wood, makes cottages. The land is clear, now till it, keep cows and grow food grains. **Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:** Doesn't put any local men out of work. **Prabhupāda: Simple thing. And then live comfortably, eat comfortably, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.**Comfortably does not mean satisfaction of the senses. Comfortably means we require primary necessities, to eat something, to sleep somewhere or have some sex—this is also bodily need—and to defend, that's all.**These are the primary necessities. That can be arranged anywhere. God has given all facilities. Grow your own food, eat, and live anywhere.**Just this place was rough like that, now it is handled nicely, it is very attractive. (Bengali) Any damn place, you cleanse it, it becomes home. And any nasty man, you decorate him, he becomes a bridegroom. (laughs) (Bengali) (*japa*) Let Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement give this sense to these rascals. They do not know how to adjust things. They simply plan their United Nations, but they do not know what is that plan. Yes. United Nations. First of all why nation? Why manufacture nation and create trouble and again un-united?**Nation—this word is not there in the Vedic language.There's no conception of nation. There is conception of*varṇāśrama*, everywhere**. Not for any particular nation or any particular country, but everyone, according to quality—first-class men, second-class men, third-class men. That is there everywhere. Everywhere you go, you find some people first-class intelligent, some people less than him, some people less than him, up to fourth class, that's all. And then fifth class. So everything is there in the*Bhagavad-gītā*.**Now you try to implement. Perfect human life. Let any sociologist, politician come forward. We shall convince them that this is only way. Plain Living, High Thinking, New Vrindaban, June 24, 1976: Room Conversation --- ## Prabhupāda on Cow Care August 2, 1976 - Room Conversation New Māyāpur Farm HIGHLIGHTS: **Work the land...cows and calves togetherPrabhupāda:**The classes should be regularly held.**Those who are engaged in the field work, then let them work,**but woman or others, they should hear in the class. They should attend. **Bhagavān:**There is regular class for everyone in the afternoon after*prasādam*. **Prabhupāda:** That's nice... **Hari-śauri:** You said you had some plan? For the land here? When we came in, you were saying you had some plan for the land. **Prabhupāda:Plan is that we have got woods. Cut the woods, make small cottages, and engage them for growing fruits, flowers, grains,** and make the complete arrangement nicely. Water... **Hari-śauri:** Irrigation. **Prabhupāda:In this way make it ever green**. **Bhagavān:**There was a question about the cows:**At what point should the calf be separated from the mother?** Because sometimes when the calf is separated, the mother, she cries. **Prabhupāda:No, they should not be taken away.Bhagavān:** Shouldn't be. **Hari-śauri:** I think in all our farms they do that. **Bhagavān:** I heard in New Vrindaban they took them away very early. **Hari-śauri:The problem is that the calves drink so much milk that they become very sick, so they have to separate.Prabhupāda:** Therefore they should not be allowed always. Once in a day, that's all. **Hari-śauri:** Oh. **Prabhupāda:Not too much allowed, but once. At least while milking they should be allowed to drink little milk, and that will encourage the mother to deliver more milk.Hari-śauri:** Oh. At the same time they're milking the cow, the calf can come. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. They can bring it milk. And while milking, the calf may be standing before the mother. **Hari-śauri:** They do that in India. **Prabhupāda:So she will not be sorry. Completely separation is not good. And after birth at least for one week the calf should be allowed.**Because after this giving birth the milk is not fit for human consumption. The calf should not be allowed to eat more, but at the same time the mother must see once, twice, then it will be all right. Of course, we are born in big, big towns, we do not know, but I know this is the process.**In Allahabad I was keeping cow, there was facility.Bhagavān:** I don't think our farms are doing like that. In New Vrindaban they do? **Hari-śauri:** What, letting the calves come? I don't think so. You can write a letter to... The whole system's so perfect, it's completely satisfying in every respect. **Prabhupāda:And if you make others dissatisfied for your pleasure, that is sinful. You should act in such a way that nobody is dissatisfied. Then there is balance. Home Grown is Best, August 3, 1976: Room Conversation at New Māyāpur Farm --- ## How to Utilize the Bulls New Orleans, August 1, 1975 Walk Around New Tālavana Farm **How to utilize the bulls...living off the land...milking cows...feed crops versus food crops...how to use machinesNityānanda:** Way over the hill and back down there is all ours. In this field we have the calves. And in this field here we have the big cows. **Prabhupāda:** It is not now utilized? **Nityānanda:** Not... No. We are just growing hay. Grass for hay. We can sell the hay in the winter for a good price. **Prabhupāda:** It is not possible to walk. (break) ...it is born? **Nityānanda:**This one? Last week. His name is... Her name is Lakṣmī. There is more over here. (break)**Bull calves. We are getting more bulls than females.Prabhupāda:** Why? **Nityānanda:** I don't know. **Prabhupāda:Then how utilize the bulls?Nityānanda:** To plow? **Prabhupāda:Plow, transport. You have to engage more men for plowing. Two bulls will be required for each plow.Nityānanda:** We can go this way maybe? See the sugarcane? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Jagadīśa:** This is not taking this yet? **Prabhupāda:** No. Why? **Nityānanda:** We just cut it two days ago, and then it rained. We have to wait for it to dry before you can... **Prabhupāda:** They will not be spoiled. **Nityānanda:** Yes, if it stays here too long, it will spoil. **Prabhupāda:** And it rains. **Devotee:** We will take it to the garden. **Prabhupāda:** Then it will be soil? It will be fertilizer soil? Or no. When it is decomposed? (break) Drinking water? **Nityānanda:** Milk. **Prabhupāda:** Milk. (laughter) That is meant for calves? Those milk? **Nityānanda:** Yes. **Prabhupāda:** What is this? **Nityānanda:** The barn. **Prabhupāda:** No, this part. **Nityānanda:** Oh, that's the door. It fell off. These are orange trees here. **Prabhupāda:** Oh. How long it will take to grow? **Nityānanda:** Well, some down here already have a few oranges, but it will take a few years before they give a lot. They are very sweet kind. (break) **Prabhupāda:** So small still. They are growing. (break) **Nityānanda:** ...sugarcane here. (break) **Prabhupāda:** ...grow very high. (break) ...trees? **Nityānanda:Pine trees.Brahmānanda:You can use those for making the cabins, cottages?Nityānanda:** Yes. (break) **Prabhupāda:**...**natural arrangement. Jungles—you cut the tree, make your home, and balance you make fuel. And the ground, plow and grow your food.**That's all, natural. **Jagadīśa:** Everything. **Prabhupāda:In India still, in the villages they do not know, other than this wood fuel, anything else.**They are misusing these trees by cutting, manufacturing paper, heaps of paper, in each house throwing daily. They do not read, but they are supplied heaps of paper and cutting these trees. Simply waste. Now wood and paper shortage all over the world. It takes so much time to grow, and one day they cut hundreds of trees like this and put into the paper mill. And heaps of paper is given every house, and he throws away. Then you bring garbage tank. In this way, waste. **Nityānanda:There are some beehives down here behind this building. I have twelve, and every year we can get hundreds of pounds of honey. Honey is very nice because it does not spoil, just like ghee. It can keep for many, many months, or a long time.**We can go up here to see the cows if you like. Right now they are milking them. **Prabhupāda:** So if we go, it will be disturbed? **Nityānanda:** Oh, no. **Prabhupāda:** This is one sugarcane each? No. Two, three? **Nityānanda:**Yes, at least three.**People here in the country, they have lots of land, and they can grow the sugarcane very easily, but they will rather go to the store to buy the sugar.Prabhupāda:** Because they want to live in the city. That is the... Here if they grow, then they will be engaged here. They cannot go to the city. **Brahmānanda:They grow cash crops, make money, and then go spend it in the city.Nityānanda:The principal livelihood of our neighbors is to grow cows for slaughter.Prabhupāda:** Yes. That is all over Western countries. **Nityānanda:**They don't have to work.**They simply put some cows in their field, and when the price is high, they sell them.** In this way they live. **Brahmānanda:** What is the attitude of the neighbors to us here? They like us? **Nityānanda:** Pretty friendly. **Brahmānanda:** There's a papaya. **Prabhupāda:** They grow nicely here? **Nityānanda:** Er, we're trying. I don't know yet. **Devotee (3):** Would you like to be fanned, Śrīla Prabhupāda? **Harikeśa:** Just keep the flies away. **Prabhupāda:** He is very friendly to the small calves, this child? **Nityānanda:** Yes. That's my boy. **Prabhupāda:** Oh. **Nityānanda:** His name is Vimala. **Jagadīśa:** He chases them all over. **Prabhupāda:**Just see. That is the difference between animal and man.**A child can control so many calves. Kṛṣṇa was doing that. One stick in the hand of a child can control fifty cows.**The child is controller of many cows; a man is controller of many children. In this way, controller, controller, controller, over, over, over... When there is final controller, that is Kṛṣṇa.*Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ*[Bs 5.1].[*Brahma-saṁhitā* 5.1: "The Supreme Lord is Kṛṣṇa.] This is the definition of Kṛṣṇa: "The final controller." **Nityānanda:** Here is the cows here. We can see them from here. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Nityānanda:** Inside the barn they are milking two at a time. And upstairs we keep all the hay. **Brahmānanda:** You keep figures on how much each milk per cow every day? **Nityānanda:** You hear it? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Then how the milk will be utilized? **Nityānanda:**We make sweet rice and*burfi*, we take the cream to make butter and*ghee*, and**all extra milk is made into curd. So it is all used. Thirty gallons a day.Prabhupāda:One gallon means 6 pounds?Nityānanda:Eight and a half.Prabhupāda:** Eight and a half pounds. In Vrindaban they get 1,000 pounds daily, New Vrindaban. What is that cottage? **Nityānanda:** That what? **Devotees:** Cottage there. **Nityānanda:** That's a little house for the pump, water pump. **Prabhupāda:** This fencing was done before? **Nityānanda:** Before. This farm was once owned by a person who grew race horses for racing and gambling. **Prabhupāda:** Racing is also gambling. **Brahmānanda:** How much did you pay for it? **Nityānanda:**The farm? 170,000 [U.S. dollars].**This field here is millet. It's a grass for the cows to eat. They give lots of milk because they eat this grass. Very nutritious.Prabhupāda:You are not producing for man?Nityānanda:** Pardon? **Prabhupāda:** Any grains for man? **Nityānanda:No, we're not growing any grains for man right now.**We have fruit trees in the yard. Pears, peaches, plums, figs. **Prabhupāda:** Some growing? **Nityānanda:** Not very much. They are very young. We just planted them. In a few years we will get lots of fruit. **Prabhupāda:** Here the land is mixed with some stones? No. **Nityānanda:** I think they put this here, this gravel. **Prabhupāda:** There is no mango tree here? No. **Nityānanda:** No what? Brāhmananda**:** Mango trees. **Nityānanda:** We have some growing at the house. **Prabhupāda:** Vegetables you are growing? **Nityānanda:** Yes. We have a garden across the street. All these big trees are pecan trees. We have twenty. All this land across the road here that is cleared is ours, all the way up to the trees. **Prabhupāda:**(reading sign?)**"Cow protection and God consciousness. Visitors welcome."**That's nice. So, which way we shall go now?**Cow protection, they are surprised: "What is this nonsense, cow protection?"** Huh? Do they say? "Cow is for eating, and you are protecting?" There are falls?(?) **Nityānanda:** Falls?(?) No. This is our small garden. **Prabhupāda:** Fruits and flowers. No, only fruits. What you are doing, flowers? **Nityānanda:** This is okra. **Prabhupāda:** Oh, okra. **Nityānanda:** And sweet potatoes. And we have eggplants, tomatoes, and peppers here. **Prabhupāda:** They give daily some fruits? **Nityānanda:** Yes. And then we grow potatoes too. **Prabhupāda:** Oh, where? Which side? **Nityānanda:** Well, the spring crop was already harvested. We have to plant the fall potatoes in a few weeks. We'll put them over there by the fence. **Prabhupāda:** So it is nice farm. This is squash? **Nityānanda:** That's a cantaloupe plant. **Prabhupāda:** Oh, cantaloupe. You can grow cantaloupe here? **Nityānanda:** Yes. **Prabhupāda:** And also watermelon? **Nityānanda:** Yes. **Jagadīśa:** There is one big watermelon on the vine up there. Perhaps it's ready to eat. **Prabhupāda:** We are getting similar land, 600 acres, in Hyderabad. **Nityānanda:** We can go this way, here. This is all our machinery here. **Prabhupāda:**Hm.**So already some machine idle. You had to spend so much, but they are lying idle. That is not good. That is the defect of machine. If you cannot ply it, then it is dead loss.Brahmānanda:** If you cannot what? **Prabhupāda:It is dead loss if you cannot work with the machine.Brahmānanda:** Yes, yes. **Prabhupāda:But when you go to purchase you have to pay lots of money. Now they will be rusty with water and gradually useless.** How much money you have invested? **Nityānanda:** Thousands. **Prabhupāda:**Just see.**This is the defect of machine. If you cannot utilize it, then it is dead loss.Brahmānanda:** Where are the tractors kept? **Nityānanda:** One's at the house, and one's in the field. **Prabhupāda:** So they have to be utilized or rejected, these machines? **Nityānanda:** Yes, they all have a purpose. We use them from time to time. **Prabhupāda:But now they are kept open and the...Nityānanda:Well, we are building a shed to keep them out of the rain.Prabhupāda:In the meantime it will be finished. By the time you finish your shed, it is finished.** *Śāstre śāstre dal phariyaga*.(?) "Some women were dressing to go to a fair, and when they were dressed, the fair was finished." (laughter) Utilize them. Otherwise, while they are in working order, sell them**. Don't keep in that way, neglected way. Either utilize it or sell it at any cost.**Otherwise they are useless. **Devotee:**Śrīla Prabhupāda?**A materialist or someone who wouldn't know, he may say that when the bull is not plowing, all he is doing is eating.**You have to pay money to feed him grain or to grow grain to feed the bull. **Prabhupāda:They will grow, and they will eat. Rather, they will help you for your eating. The father also eats, but he maintains the family. Therefore the bull is considered as father and the cow as mother. Mother gives milk, and the bull grows food grains for man.**Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu first challenged that Kazi that "What is your religion, that you eat your father and mother?" Both the bulls and the cows are important because the bull will produce food grain and the cow will give supply milk. They should be utilized properly. That is human intelligence. This is filling up with paddy or...? No? **Nityānanda:** With food for the cows. This one has forage or fodder, and that one has grain. **Prabhupāda:So everything is for the animals. Nothing for the man?Nityānanda:** The cows give us milk. **Prabhupāda:**That's all?**And you are not growing any food grains?** Why? **Nityānanda:**Er...**We've been trying to establish self-sufficient cow protection program first, to grow our own food for the cows.Brahmānanda:** There is no land available for growing rice or wheat? **Nityānanda:** Yes, but the number of devotees we have to do it... **Brahmānanda:** But you have so many machines. **Prabhupāda:All these machines require oiling and keeping nicely. Otherwise it will spoil.Devotees in distance:** All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda! **Prabhupāda:** Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa. They are starting? **Brahmānanda:** They are starting back. **Nityānanda:** Down the road we have fifteen acres of sorghum, grain for the cows. **Prabhupāda:And everything for the cows, but what for the man? They will give everything for cows because they will eat cows, other farmers. But you utilize the animals for growing your food.Brahmānanda:The idea is we should maintain the animals, but then the animals should provide foodstuffs for the men.Prabhupāda:Yes.Brahmānanda:** And that way there is cooperation. **Prabhupāda:**Yes.**The animals, bulls, should have helped... instead of that machine. Then it is properly utilized. And others, they cannot utilize these animals. Therefore, what they will do? Naturally they will send to slaughterhouse. But we are not going to send to the slaughterhouse. Then what we will do? They must be utilized.**Otherwise simply for growing food that the cows and bulls we engage ourself? You are already feeling burden because there are so many bull calves. You were asking me,**"What we shall do with so many bulls?"Nityānanda:** Well, when they grow up we will train them as oxen. **Prabhupāda:No, what the oxen will do?Nityānanda:Plow the fields.Prabhupāda:**Yes.**That is wanted. Transport, plowing fields. That is wanted. And unless our men are trained up, Kṛṣṇa conscious, they will think, "What is the use of taking care of the plows (cows)? Better go to the city, earn money and eat them." Machines and Unemployment, New Orleans, August 1, 1975: Room Conversation with Devotees New T**ā**lavana Farm --- ## Petroleum vs. Ox Power Rome, May 27, 1974 – Morning Walk **Energy problems will be solved as soon as we are localized...oxen will solve problem of transport...ISKCON should be ideal by practical application...produce your own paper...Kṛṣṇa conscious communism...śūdras will not revolt if they are protected and treated nicely...atom bombs won't be thrown on the villages...we don't want cities...when they see our villages are better than the cities, people will take to itPrabhupāda:** So we can discuss some of the problems, about the problems. Discuss what are the problems. **Bhagavān:** Now? We shall discuss now? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. We are going to solve all problems. Let us have some preliminary discussion, how we are going to solve. **Bhagavān:The biggest problem now is that they have built up a type of society in which their needs are all coming from petrol energy.**To produce what they need today is all coming from this petrol energy... **Prabhupāda:** Yes, yes. **Bhagavān:** ...which they are importing basically from the Saudi Arabian countries. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Bhagavān:Now, recently, in the last war in the Middle East, Saudi Arabians raised the price of the oil over double now, I think, as a pressure to the Western countries to do things in their favor. Now they realized that the market for oil is in such great demand that they don't have to lower the price after the war, but they are going to keep the price.** And actually the price is still increasing. So this is causing inflation. **Prabhupāda:So this problem will be solved as soon as we are localized. Petrol is required for transport, but if you are localized, there is no question of transport.** You don't require petrol. Suppose in New Vrindaban, we stay, we don't go anywhere. Then where is the need of petrol? **Bhagavān:** Petrol they also use for heating. And electricity. **Prabhupāda:**No, heating.**Heating we can do by wood. By nature.Dhanaṣjaya:** I remember, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you were saying that all we require is some oxen, and the oxen can carry. **Prabhupāda:**Yes.**The oxen will solve the problem of transport. That bullock cart. Just like Kṛṣṇa, when He was transferred from Gokula to Nandagrāma, so they took all the bullock carts, and within a few hours they transported them, the whole thing, their luggage, family member, everything.Bhagavān:How far can a bullock cart travel in one day?Prabhupāda:At least ten miles, very easily, very easily. And maximum he can travel fifteen miles, twenty miles. But when we are localized, we don't require to go beyond ten miles, five miles.** Because we have created a rubbish civilization, therefore one is required to go fifty miles for earning bread, hundred miles, hanging. **Dhanaṣjaya:** Like in Los Angeles. **Prabhupāda:** Why Los Angeles? Everywhere. In New York they are coming from hundred miles. From the other side of the island. First ferry steamer, then bus, then so on, so on. Three hours, four hours, they spend for transport. **Satsvarūpa:Is this an ideal solution or a practical one?Prabhupāda:This is practical.Satsvarūpa:** Because sometimes we say that actually we cannot change the course of the... **Prabhupāda:**No, no.**Our society will be ideal by practical application.Satsvarūpa:** If we stopped all the transportation industry, there would be huge unemployment. It would be a great... **Prabhupāda:** No, no, we are not going to stop employment. We live like this. You see. If you like, you live like us. **Bhagavān:** Example. **Prabhupāda:Example.Satsvarūpa:** Not that we dictate to the... Not that we are going to force everyone. **Prabhupāda:**No,**we are not going to force anyone. "Our mode of living is like this. If you like you can adopt." Just like we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. So we are not forcing anyone that "You also, you must chant." No. We live like this.Dhanaṣjaya:** So in fact, Śrīla Prabhupāda, we should start using bullock carts. **Prabhupāda:**Yes. No,**first of all you start the community project, as we have already started in New Vrindaban. Make this perfect.Devotee:** There was a big meeting of scientists in Stockholm, Sweden, and they talked that if humanity don't begin to live in a localized way like you say, in fifty years will be no more source of production. **Prabhupāda:** That is rascaldom. We can produce from anywhere, foodstuff. **Bhagavān:** What about the question of using petrol for heat? Another import, there is three uses of petrol, or four. One is the transportation, one is heat, another is electricity, and a fourth is they use it to manufacture so many products. So what if someone asks... **Prabhupāda:** No, you go on products, with your product. You have created problem, you go on with your problem. But we live like this. If you like, you can adopt. **Bhagavān:What is our solution to heat? Wood?Prabhupāda: Heat? Yes, wood. Sufficient.Dhanaṣjaya:** But they are saying they used all the wood for paper, so there's no more wood. **Prabhupāda:**No, no.**Paper you can make from grass, from cotton. So many other fibers. You don't require wood. You grow grass, sufficient quantity, and you make paper.**Why should you publish so many rubbish literatures? Just like you were telling. The*Times of India*, the newspaper. (Sound of cars) This is the difficulty, walking on street. Therefore I wanted to go to the park. This is disturbance.**So paper, if we don't produce unnecessary paper, there is no scarcity.**From grass. You produce grass, huge quantity of grass, you will get paper. Cotton also. First-class paper. In India also, the rejected paper.**From rejected paper you can get another paper also.**But they throw it away in your country.**Collect this rejected paper and again put it into paper.**And why should you publish all rubbish literature? Simply publish*Bhāgavata*and*Bhagavad-gītā*, that's all. What is the use of this newspaper, nonsense newspaper, huge, huge quantity? So everything will be nice provided you become ideal. Live in community.**Produce your own food. Even you can produce your own paper.**You don't require printing of so many books**. If there is one book, others can imitate, or copy. There is no need of printing.** Formerly they used to do that... **Bhagavān:** I didn't understand that about one book. **Prabhupāda:**One book... Suppose we have prepared some small quantity of paper.**So you can, if you want that book, you just copy another book.Bhagavān:** By hand. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. There is no need of printing books. **Bhagavān:** Some people would be engaged in copying books. **Prabhupāda:**No, you engage yourself.**If you want book, that book, you copy yourself. Why someone should be engaged for you? You have got enough time. You are not going to the factory or hundred miles for your earning livelihood. You are on the local space. You have got enough time. You just take, copy. That's all. Minimize your unnecessary waste of time. Save time. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Go back to home. This is our idea. Instead of chanting twenty-five rounds, you chant hundred rounds. That is utilization of proper time. Instead of begetting cats and dogs, you just beget one child, Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is the ideal life. What is the use of using sex life unnecessarily? Therefore only for begetting nice child one should have sex life. This is ideal life. Not that you use sex life, contraceptive method. This is all demonism. But they cannot do without it. **Because they have no other engagement, they do not know how nice Kṛṣṇa is and how pleasurable it is to reciprocate with Kṛṣṇa.**Therefore they go to the dog's pleasure, sex life on the street and there, on the beach. That's all. They have been educated like dogs... **Bhagavān:**Now they have... the other day in the paper that**India exploded its first atomic bomb.Prabhupāda:** Yes, and therefore yet it has become very great. **Yogeśvara:** Now its in the top six. **Prabhupāda:But there is no food. Never mind, you starve, but get your atom bomb. That's all.** This is civilization. There was a cartoon. Somebody approached some politician, and he said, "Yes, I know there is food problem. So I cannot say what can I do for you, but from next week, you will have television." This is their program, "From next week you will have television." As if television will minimize my hunger. This is the civilization. Hare Kṛṣṇa. **So you ask problem, I will answer. Your energy, problems of energy, petrol, it will be automatically solved. If we are localized, there is no question of petrol.Bhagavān:**You say in the, I think it's in the Second Canto of*Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam*, that by doing so much drilling into the earth, they actually disturbed the rotation of the earth. **Prabhupāda:**Yes, we can think like that. Just like the plane, aeroplane, is flying. There is sufficient petrol stock. Is it not? So the world has got sufficient petrol stock. If you do not know how it is being used, maybe due to this petrol, it is floating. And if you take away the petrol stock, it may drop. Everything is there. There is a purpose.*Pūrṇam idam*. [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation]: "The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes...] There is full purpose. Not that whimsically petrol is there within the earth. There is some purpose. **Devotee:** What they do, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is take the petrol out and put salt water, because they know there can be a imbalance. And then they put salt water in the holes. **Prabhupāda:** But water cannot produce gas. Petrol produces gas. Maybe due to that gas, it is floating. Because we have got practical experience. When there is gas, you can float anything. **Dhanaṣjaya:** Like a balloon. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Bhagavān:** There is another big problem that now all the opposing countries have built up excess amounts of atomic weapons all pointed at each other. So now they are trying to have big planning conference how to diminish all these weapons. **Prabhupāda: If there is no opposite elements, there is no need of weapons. If I am not your enemy, there is no fear. We are preaching this philosophy,*brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā*: "As soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, you become jubilant..."**[Bg [[bg/18/54|18.54]]] So where is your enemy?*Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu*.**[Bg [[bg/18/54|18.54]]]: "...He is equally disposed toward every living entity...]**Then where is your enemy? Formerly, a man might have become enemy of another man. But this demonic civilization has created nation to nation, country to country, community to community, all enemies. And on account of this communistic enemy, so many innocent people are killed. I have seen in Calcutta during the partition days. So many innocent Hindus and Muslims were killed. Any (indistinct), very quickly this Communistic feeling is aroused, and they fight, like cats and dogs. "Oh, here is another dog! Here is another dog, coming from another neighborhood." So this is demonic civilization. If you want to go to some country, you have to take visa, permission, this, that, so many. Why? Vedic civilization is "You come to my country. Welcome. You are my guest."*Gṛhe śatrum api prāptaṁ viśvastam akutobhayam*: "Even one is enemy, when he comes to my house, he is my honorable guest." And here, they are so much afraid that you keep dogs. The dog is kept here. (loud truck noise) **Bhagavān:** Prabhupāda, I think we better go somewhere else. There is too many cars here. **Prabhupāda:** Yes, this isn't a place for walking. (break) **Yogeśvara:**...all the major nations of the world have...These atomic weapons constitute very great storehouses for them. So what should they do with all of these things? **Prabhupāda:**They should throw. I throw upon you, you throw upon me. You go to hell, I go to hell. That's all. This will be the result. And the world will be cleansed of these all rascals. This will be the result. (laughs) **Bhagavān:** In the Teachings of Lord Caitanya, you say that even the atomic bombs can be used in Kṛṣṇa's service. **Prabhupāda:**It will be used by nature.*Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi*. [*Bg* [[bg/3/27|3.27]]: "The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.]He is thinking that "I am proprietor of this atomic bomb," but he does not know that the other's atomic bomb will kill me, and my atomic bomb, I kill him. That's all. He does not know that. He is thinking, "I am very proud of possessing." But that will be the cause of his death. **Yogeśvara:**Is such an atomic war foretold in*Bhāg*... **Prabhupāda:** Yes. Next war means atomic war. All these rascals will be killed automatically. I will kill you, you'll kill me. That's all. **Yogeśvara:** Is that war to occur in the recent future? Or is that a long way off? **Prabhupāda:** Very recent, very recent future. This Communist and Capitalist mentality will bring the next... The Communists will be victorious. **Dhanaṣjaya:** And after the war what will be the result? **Prabhupāda:**After the war they will come to sense. The Communist problem...**Communist is not a problem. It is good proposal, but they are missing one point. They are making Lenin the leader. If they make Kṛṣṇa the leader, then the Communistic idea will be very fruitful.**They are picking up a rascal leader, but if they pick up the nice leader, God the supreme dictator, then everything is all right. They are catching up a dictator, but they do not know that he is rascal number one. But if he catches the Supreme Lord as dictator, as Kṛṣṇa says,*sarva-dharmān parityajya*, [*Bg*[[bg/18/66|18.66]]] "Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.]then he will be happy, immediately.**Keep amongst yourself and produce. Produce food grain, produce cotton, mustard seed. Self dependent, no use... And we don't require motorcar. Bullock cart is sufficient. There is no need of going anywhere.Bhagavān:**We can make our own cloth?*Khādi*. **Prabhupāda:**Yes, cotton.**From cotton you can make your own cloth.Dhanaṣjaya:** My wife knows how to spin cloth. **Prabhupāda:**Yes. By spinning thread, then you make cloth. Without any price. You grow your cotton and have your cloth. So by machine, they have created so many idle brain, and therefore hippies are coming out, problem. This is the result of this.**Because they have created this machine, not everyone is employed, so he must become a hippie.** Idle brain is a devil's workshop. **Bhagavān:** Even the older generation, even the fathers, they are becoming... **Prabhupāda:** Anyone who hasn't got sufficient to work, to be employed or engaged, then he must become hippie, vagabond. What is this? Temple? **Dhanaṣjaya:** This is Mary, the... **Yogeśvara:** The Virgin Mary. **Prabhupāda:** Yes, it is just like India. They also make some small temple like this. **Yogeśvara:Mahatma Gandhi formulated many such programs for producing*khādi*, for cow protection and so on.Prabhupāda:No, he did not make any cow protection.Yogeśvara:** No? We know from your teachings that he was missing the point. **Prabhupāda:** Missing... The point is God. He was atheist. He did not believe in Kṛṣṇa. **Yogeśvara:But from the level of application of his programs, is there some value?Prabhupāda:Yes, that is good program, to produce your own necessities of life.**That is good idea. But he could not turn the people, because they are godless. Godless man cannot have any good qualification. I requested him to become God conscious and preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He thought it ludicrous. Yes. He was such a godless man. **Yogeśvara:** All Indians worship Gandhi. **Prabhupāda:** Then how he was killed? That is the proof. Otherwise, how was he killed? **Yogeśvara:** Every place we go, we see Indian's homes, pictures of Gandhi on their tables. **Prabhupāda:** You, you have not visited everyone's house here. The three, four house you have visited. That's all. **Bhagavān:** You haven't even been to India. (laughter) **Prabhupāda:** Don't talk all this nonsense. **Bhagavān:We can keep horses? We can use horses?Prabhupāda:Oh yes, that is*kṣatriya*. If one does not obey the social structure, he must be forced...**The*śūdras*who do not work properly, he must be forced. Nobody should remain unemployed. The*śūdras*are inclined. If he has got something to eat, he will not work. You see? Then again he will work when his need, eating. This is*śūdra* mentality. **Bhagavān:** So they have to be kept employed. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. They have to be... They should not possess, so that they will work always. **Yogeśvara:Yeah, but that was exactly the situation that sparked the Communist revolution. When the workers felt themselves exploited, then they revolted.Prabhupāda:** No, workers, what is that? Exploited? **Yogeśvara:**Yes, when the*śūdras* were seeing that, "Oh, these men, they are keeping us as slaves, and they are making us work just for our food," then they revolted. **Prabhupāda: No, no. You should keep them such nicely and friendly way, they will never think like that. They will think that you are giving him food and shelter, and you are taking care, giving them protection to their family. Then they will be happy.** Then they are happy. When you give them all protection, then they will be happy. Now... Just like in Japan. The industrialists give all men. They give food. They give education. They give shelter. So they work very happily. **Bhagavān:** They like to work. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. **Bhagavān:** It's not that people like to be idle. **Prabhupāda:I have seen. And the Dai Nippon directors, they live very poorly, but still, they do not like to give up the service because they are assured of their family, protection, medicine, food, education. They did not like. Never mind, it is not very luxurious. Still, they stick. That I have seen.Yogeśvara:** Because there are good benefits. **Prabhupāda:Good benefits, yes. If you are assured of your food, shelter, and necessities of life, then you will never grudge. That was the system.Yogeśvara:** Yeah, that's the difference. The Communists, they were thinking themselves exploited. Actually they were fearful because they were thinking they would not get enough to eat. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. No, not only that. The Communists... Everyone has got different propensity. And I have seen in Moscow. You cannot get foodstuff to your selection. That is forced. If I go to the market, I can purchase to my taste, to my selection. But if I have to purchase from the government store whatever nonsense thing they will supply, I will have to accept. Why? I want to eat something today. Why I will be forced to eat something else? **Bhagavān:** That's not good? **Prabhupāda:** That's not good. **Bhagavān:**So in our community, when we grow things, or we have need of someone's services, how are these services distributed equally?Let's say we grow cauliflower, we grow peas, we grow wheat. Is it that each family must be responsible and take only what he needs? How is it distributed? **Prabhupāda:** No, no. These varieties... Suppose you grow half a dozen different types of vegetables. So from this half a dozen you can make three dozen varieties. If you are a good cooker. So the varieties of enjoyment will be fulfilled. We have got some desire of different quality of varieties. That you can make. From milk, vegetable, grains, the three things, you can make three hundred varieties. **Bhagavān:**But my question is, if the community produces...**Some class of men produce vegetables and grains, some class produce cows, some class produce clothes, some class produce necessities for building. How are these things distributed equally?Prabhupāda:** Because we are community, we shall distribute whatever necessity for everyone. **Bhagavān:** They will come and say, "I need this much cloth, I need this much milk." **Prabhupāda:**No, this much cloth...**But if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you will be satisfied with the minimum necessities of life. That is natural. You won't demand.Yogeśvara: So actually such a program can only be successful proportionately with the rise of Kṛṣṇa consciousness of the people.Prabhupāda:Yes. That is the main basic principle. Without being Kṛṣṇa conscious, if you arrange like this, that will never be successful.Yogeśvara:** They won't be satisfied. **Prabhupāda:** No. **Bhagavān:The*kṣatriyas*make sure that people are correct, acting correctly, that no one is taking more than what they need?Prabhupāda:Naturally he will do. If you make him Kṛṣṇa conscious, if he attends the Kṛṣṇa conscious program, naturally he will do.*Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi*.**[Dhruva Mahārāja: "My dear Lord, I am very satisfied simply to serve Your lotus feet. I do not want any material benefits.] That is the progress of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He will be satisfied in any condition of life. That is progress of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He doesn't require anything artificially. His main necessity is how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. So if his attention is diverted in that way, these things will be not important. **Yogeśvara:So then we should begin our rural communities like New Vrindaban, and then by training up people in the cities, we can send them gradually...Prabhupāda:There will be no city. We don't want cities.Bhagavān:** What about our city temples? **Prabhupāda:**No, no.**For the time it may go on. But as we make progress, there will be no necessity. City means... For the present we have got. Because the city is there, we are there. But suppose the city is closed.**We shall be there? If the city is closed, you still will be there? **Yogeśvara:** But we can predict that the cities will go on for quite some time. **Prabhupāda:Yes, it will go on, but when they will see that your ideal community is better than city life, people will take to it.***Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate***.**[From*Bg.* [[bg/2/59|2.59]]: "...Ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.] When one gets a better standard of life, naturally he will give up the lower standard of life. **Dhanaṣjaya:** But won't the countryside be spoiled if there is an atomic war? **Prabhupāda:** Yes. The what is called...? **Dhanaṣjaya:** Radioactivity. **Prabhupāda:** By atomic bomb... What is that?...It says in your country, that you divide the city. I just forget. **Yogeśvara:** The result of the bomb? **Prabhupāda:Bomb will be utilized where there are big materialistic persons. Bombs are never thrown in the village.Bhagavān:** The bombs will be thrown in the big cities where the industry is. **Prabhupāda:** Yes, yes. **Yogeśvara:** The targets will be the cities. **Prabhupāda:** Yes. They will be finished first. The bombs are never used at the villages. Downtown, downtown. (laughter) The downtown will be first finished. I have got experience during the last war. The bombs were being thrown in Calcutta, and almost all the bombs were thrown in downtown. Eskimo Self-sufficiently, Rome, May 28, 1974: Morning Walk --- ## Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and Draw a Plow Vṛndāvana, March 15, 1974 - Varṇāśrama Walk **Cure for unemployment...Vedic versus modern societyPrabhupāda**: What these communists can do? We can do better than them. ...Then it will be counteraction of communist movement: "Why you are sitting idly, no employment? Come on to the field! Take this plow! Take this bull. Go out working. Why you are sitting idly?" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Nobody should be allowed to sit down and sleep. They must find out some employment, either work as*brāhmaṇa*or as a*kṣatriya*or as a*vaiśya*. Why there should be unemployment? The same example. Just like I am, this body is working. The leg is working, hand is working, brain is working, belly is working. Why there should be unemployment? You just stop this unemployment, you will see the whole world is peaceful. There is no complaint. And they'll very happily chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hm? Nobody's working in this field. They're all drawn to the cities to work in the factory. Condemned civilization. That communist emblem, what is that? **Devotees**: Hammer and sickle. **Prabhupāda**: Yes. That is good. **Indian**: Yeah, good. **Prabhupāda**: But no hammer. Only this... What is called? **Devotees**: Sickle. **Prabhupāda**: No hammer. That will be our emblem. Only sickle. Not hammer. The hammer has hammered the whole human civilization. So just make a counter-emblem. The communists will appreciate. **Devotee**: Sickle and*tilaka*. **Prabhupāda**: Eh? **Devotee**: A sickle, and then a*tilaka*. **Prabhupāda**: Yes, that is good idea. Guptajī? Come here. (Hindi) **Gupta**: (Hindi for few sentences) **Prabhupāda**: Rascal civilization, rascal government. And people are transferred into rascals. (Hindi)*Annād bhavanti bhūtāni*[*Bg*[[bg/3/14|3.14]]: "all living bodies subsist on food grains"]. Without*anna*, how they can live? There is no arrangement for*anna*. They're simply passing resolution, legislative laws. And no*anna*. Just see what kind of wretched government it is. Everywhere. There is no*anna*.*Annād bhavanti bhūtāni.*The first duty of government is to see that everyone is happy, without any anxiety. These preliminary necessities of life,*āhāra-nidra-bhaya-maithunam*[eating, sleeping, defending and mating], there must be sufficient arrangement for these preliminary necessities of life. One must eat sumptuously. Not over-eating, indulgation (sic). No. But he must have sufficient food to keep up the health. Similarly, he must have place to sleep. We, we are prepared to offer everything. And be Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is our mission. Not by eating and sleeping, become rogues and thieves and rascals. That we will not allow. That is *varṇāśrama-dharma*. (Hindi conversation for a few sentences) Why unemployment? There is no scarcity (of) water. Just have a big well. Electricity pump water. Oh, immediately, it will be all green. Immediately. (Hindi for a while) *Jayo*! Hare Kṛṣṇa! [break] ...all round, for the benefit of the human society. You'll be honored everywhere. Everywhere, any part of the world. And automatically these bogus*avatāra*, incarnations, God, and*yogis*and*svamis*will be all doomed. You see? These rascal society,*avatāra*, "Bhagavān," incarnations,*yogis*, these rascals will be doomed. **Gupta**: These (indistinct) ought to be finished. They cannot remain. **Prabhupāda**: No! (Hindi) ...that glowworm. Glowworm (Hindi) beautiful (Hindi) darkness hai. (Hindi) So long people were in darkness, they were beautiful. Now there is sunshine. **Gupta**: Yes. **Hṛdayānanda**: Prabhupāda is the sun. **Prabhupāda**: (Hindi) [break] ...the anxiety of Prahlāda Mahārāja, "How these rascals, who have made a plan for happiness of a few men, gorgeous plan." And they're... For happiness of the government servant. That's all. You know in Delhi there is Planning Commission? What is that plan? That people may starve, and Indira Gandhi and company may flourish. That's all. **Gupta**: I think, Mahārāja, they are coming to the office at twelve and going back at one, doing nothing, and... **Prabhupāda**: But what they have got to do? **Gupta**: They are not doing... **Prabhupāda**: Just like I have seen in London the Parliament. When they had some so-called empire... Now the Parliament is useless, useless. The Parliament members and the Lords, House of Lords, House of Commons, they are now useless. They have got some old books only. In Parliament. I have seen. Some old books. Old books means all the speeches are recorded in books. And who is going to read them? Almiras, so many... I have seen in**Parliament**. Hundreds and thousands of speeches recorded and bound up very nicely. Who is going to read them? Simply waste of time. **Gupta**: They are increasing the load like this. **Prabhupāda**: Yes. **Gupta**: Donkey's load. Go on increasing, increasing. **Prabhupāda**: Therefore this example is given: ass. For nothing, not for himself. He'll be given a little grass. The grass is available here. But still, he's engaged. Employment. Ass will reap, eat little grass. Grass is available everywhere. But still, he'll work for others, loading, overloading. This is ass. He has no sense, "So why I have taken so much overload? I can get grass anywhere. Let me remain free." But he has no such sense. Neither he will be allowed. (laughs) This is ass. Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa... [break]... There are many *bābājīs*. They are collecting*chapātis*and smoking*bīḍī*, and have one or two women. That's all. It is going on. So they should be drawn: "Come on! Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and take the plough." Not that you become Rūpa Gosvāmī simply by smoking. They are thinking they have become Rūpa Gosvāmī. Rūpa Gosvāmī lived like that. So they think by changing the cloth, loincloth, they have become Rūpa Gosvāmī. And whatever nonsense they like, they can do. [break] ...All these*bābājīs* should be employed, "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and draw a plough." Then it will be nice. **Jayādvaita**: In America too, the big intellectuals and professors, they can also be... We can have ploughs for them. **Prabhupāda**: Yes, because they're wasting time. Better produce some food. At least, your food. You are living at the cost of others. What is the value of your philosophy? That... To... In the*Bhagavad-gītā*:*etaj jñānam, tad ajñānaṁ yad anyathā*[*Bg*[[bg/13/8 bg 13.9 bg 13.10 bg 13.11 bg 13.12 bg 13.8-12 1972|13.12]]] "...All these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance. To search out the Absolute Truth, that is*jñāna*, knowledge, philosophy. Anything else, that is*ajñānam*. [break] ...I think it is so that if you cannot use your plot of land, then it will go to the government. Is it not? **Gupta**: Yes. **Prabhupāda**: So similarly, if the government cannot utilize, it comes to us. We shall work. Is it not good? **Gupta**: Very good. **Prabhupāda**: There must be some law like that. The government has taken from the public because it is not being worked out. Now we shall work. Give us this land. (Hindi) "You have taken from the public. Why should you not give us?" So that there will be no question, even government does not, we shall go and occupy, occupy, and go on tilling. What the government will...? Public will support us. **Gupta**: Again it is being distributed to their relations, those who are in the power, and then they do not work again. **Prabhupāda**: Again **Gupta**: Then it remains... **Prabhupāda**: Then whatever field is not being worked, we occupy them, and begin to work. And invite all the unemployed, "Come and join us. We shall give you food, shelter, everything." (break) ...how Kṛṣṇa is setting example. Kṛṣṇa is saying that "I have already arranged the result of this fighting. Everyone will be killed."*Nimitta-mātraṁ bhava savyasācin.*[*Bg* [[bg/11/33 1972|11.33]]: "...You, O Savyasācī, can be but an instrument in the fight.] But still, He is inducing Arjuna to work. Not that He's already (indistinct), "I am your friend Kṛṣṇa. Everything will be done." [Rather,] "It will be done, but you have to work." **Gupta**: Maybe a friend or not. **Prabhupāda**: This is philosophy. Not that "Because I am friend, I will do, and you will sleep and get dysentery." No. You have to work. Everything is already arranged, but you must work. That is wanted. Otherwise, why Arjuna was induced to fight. Kṛṣṇa has already arranged. And Arjuna also: "Yes."*Kariṣye vacanaṁ tava*[*Bg* [[bg/18/73 1972|18.73]]]. "Whatever you say..." This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. [break] ...politician, Balavanta? He's not here. So let him preach that "We shall, if you take our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, there will be no unemployment." He can at least give this manifesto to the..., "There will be no more unemployment." People will be very nice, very glad to hear. Now this machine, this machine nonsense means unemployment. One machine will work for hundred men. So hundred men becomes unemployed, and one technician, he gets all the salaries. To work on the computer, com... **Devotee**: Computer, yes. **Prabhupāda**: Machine. And he's very expert. He'll take three thousand dollars. And others will be unemployed. This is going on. And they are thinking: "Advancement of civilization." Advancement of civilization means "Exploit others and you become happy." This is advancement of civilization. "Others may die for such, out of starvation, and one man takes all the money and spends it for wine and women and motor car." That's all. This is advancement of civilization. *Sarve sukhino bhavantu*. This is Vedic civilization: "Let everyone be happy." That is Vedic civilization. And the demonic civilization, they're [thinking]: "Let everyone suffer; I become happy. That's all." And Vaiṣṇava is thinking, "For my salvation it is already guaranteed." But he is thinking, "How these poor people will be saved?"*Śoce tato vimukha-cetasa māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān*. [SB [[sb/7/9/43 1976|7.9.43]]]: "... My concern is only for the fools and rascals who are making elaborate plans for material happiness and maintaining their families, societies and countries. I am simply concerned with love for them.] Prahlāda Mahārāja. This is Vaiṣṇava's position.*Para-duḥkha-duḥkhī*. He's unhappy by seeing others unhappy. For himself, he has no ocean of mercy. He is very compassionate to fallen souls P*ara-duḥkha-duḥkhī. kṛpāmbudhir yaḥ para-duḥkha-duḥkhī Kṛpāmbudhir yas tam ahaṁ prapadye*[*Cc Madhya*[[cc/madhya/6/254|6.254]]]. [from Śrīla Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī,*Vilāpa-kusumāṣjali*6 :" [One who is an] ocean of mercy...very much aggrieved by the sufferings of others.] This is Vaiṣṇava philosophy. Vaiṣṇava shall work hard, undergo all tribulation, for others. He has no problem. A Vaiṣṇava has no problem. Because he has taken shelter of Kṛṣṇa, he has no problem.*Kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati*. [From*Bg.*[[bg/9/31|9.31]]: "...O son of Kuntī, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.] Kṛṣṇa also gives guarantee, "Anyone who has taken shelter of My..., he is saved. I will give him protection." Kṛṣṇa says*, ahaṁ tvāṁ mokṣayiṣyāmi sarva*... [From*Bg.* [[bg/18/66|18.66]]: "Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.] Everything is there. For Vaiṣṇava there is no suffering, personally. But he is very much anxious: "How these rascals will be happy?" That is his business. "These rascals are misled. They are going astray, unhappy. So how they should be happy?" So that is Vaiṣṇava's business. So the Vaiṣṇava, therefore, will have no politics. Politics means planning for one's own happiness. That is politics. So in our society there should be no diplomacy, no politics. Everyone should be eager how to do good to others. That is Vaiṣṇava. If he's planning something, that "I shall be leader," "I shall be doing something," that is not Vaiṣṇavism. That politics is not good. **Devotee**: It seems that people are so attached to sense gratification, if we tell them we want to stop all these facilities for drinking, cinema, women, like that, they become angry. **Prabhupāda**: So that, that is natural. If you give good instruction to a rascal, he'll be angry.*Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopayati na śamayati*(?).*Mūrkha*, a rascal, if you give him good instruction... But give him practical. "Come here. Sit down. Take*prasādam*. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. And help me by doing this." In this way you have to... Just like a child. Child does not want to go to school, but some, by... Find out some means so that he'll be induced. That is intelligence. He'll be angry, naturally. He's a rascal. He'll be angry. That is not unnatural.*Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopayati na śamayati* (?). Just like a snake. You feed the snake with milk. It will increase the poison. That's all. Practically attract. Practically attract. That is: The Hare Kṛṣṇa movement will practically attract the people. If the world affairs are adjusted according to our Kṛṣṇa conscious plan, there will be no difficulty for all the nations, all the countries. They will be happy. So we have to educate people gradually. And by our example, living example, we'll have to attract. (pause) **Local people**: (calling out in distance) Harilāljī! Harilāljī! **Prabhupāda**: Hare Kṛṣṇa.*Jaya*. At least they are remembering Harilāljī by seeing us. So much benefit was in that. Eh? **Gupta**: When we pass, people say "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Rāma." **Prabhupāda**: This is the test of Vaiṣṇava. If one is actually Vaiṣṇava, then by seeing him one will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. This has been created all over the world. Yes. Wherever we go, they chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Even at midnight in Athens. Yes. That we have experienced. This is the definition given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. **Jayādvaita**: Prabhupāda, if Kṛṣṇa had already done all the work at Kurukṣetra, so why was He so eager to have Arjuna work? **Prabhupāda**: Huh? **Jayādvaita**: Because He'd already done the work. **Prabhupāda**: Yes. **Jayādvaita**: Why did He want Arjuna to work? **Prabhupāda**: Just to show example, that "Don't sit idly, rascal. Work." Kṛṣṇa has already done, but you must work. This is the example. **Jayādvaita**: People will argue that "Why should we work? If we can make an arrangement for being idle..." **Prabhupāda**: Eh? **Jayādvaita**: People argue that "If we can make an arrangement to be idle, then it's nice. We've worked so hard. Now we can be idle. That's nice." **Prabhupāda**: Then, that, if you become idle, you'll be diseased. You'll have dysentery. That's all. That will not help you. You'll have to suffer. That, that, that stage has already come. Because so many rascals are idle, now there is so many things want. So you'll suffer. If you don't work, then you'll suffer. (end) Guru Gives Var**ṇ**a Guidance, Hyderabad, April 20, 1974: Morning Walk